I'd hope that the WMF when hiring people in what was considered third world or in areas of socially deprived wages that it would pay at least to US standards as a matter of principle that employees doing similar jobs should basically be treated equally regardless of location. That where the pay and conditions exceed the US the WMF should be ensuring that people there are being paid comparable salaries for the similar positions in that location, US wages and conditions arent the best for many of their positions but that should be no excuse for hiring people at lower conditions.
Socially the biggest issue is the exploitation of cheap labour because companies can, the WMF should be doing better than that if truly believes in equality in the movement On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 20:11, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sure it will vary considerably. Does that matter? When measuring > internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each > employee leads? > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood < > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > wrote: > > > Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf > > Of Nathan > > Sent: 11 September 2020 13:39 > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries > on > > job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity > > > > Dan, > > > > Shouldn't two candidates for the same position for the same company get > > roughly the same salary, regardless of where they live? > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:00 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) <djgw...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San > Francisco > > > as of July 2018 [1] which means that, as a San Francisco based > > > organisation, the Foundation will undoubtedly not be doing this. To my > > > knowledge, this wasn't done by the Foundation before either, but we can > > > confidently state that it won't be done now. > > > > > > There are some complexities in disclosing salary ranges for the > > Foundation. > > > One practice that can be used for encouraging diversity in candidate > > > applications is to specify that a position is open to candidates with a > > > wide range of experience and in all locations in the world, in which > case > > > the salary range posted will be so large that it will basically be > > > meaningless. On the other hand, another good practice for encouraging > > > diversity is to source internally for senior positions, which opens up > > more > > > junior roles that can be sourced externally, in which case a salary > range > > > can be more meaningful and helpful. It's hard to figure out what the > > right > > > balance is. > > > > > > Regardless, more public transparency in salary banding would be good to > > > see. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > [1]: > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local- > > updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx > > < > https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 10:44, Chris Keating < > chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Good morning everyone! > > > > > > > > There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at > > > least > > > > salary ranges, on job ads. > > > > > > > > An increasing body of evidence(2) shows that practices like not > > > disclosing > > > > expected pay, and requiring applicants to disclose their current > > salary, > > > is > > > > harmful to equity in the workplace. > > > > > > > > Not disclosing salaries affects pay levels within the organisation - > > > > because white men are usually relatively confident in negotiating > their > > > > salaries upwards, so tend to end up with a better deal. > > > > > > > > It can also affect the diversity of candidates who apply. Candidates > > who > > > > have stronger networks within the industry they're moving into > (again, > > > more > > > > commonly white men with privileged social and educational > backgrounds) > > > also > > > > have clear expectations because they are 'in the know' about industry > > > > norms, while people who don't, find the lack of salary information a > > > > barrier to application. (After all, why take the time and effort to > > apply > > > > for a job when you have no idea how the likely pay compares to your > > > current > > > > employment?) > > > > > > > > I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never > > > > mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the range is > > disclosed > > > > to applicants or not - some chapters I know do advertise a salary. > > > However, > > > > I'd urge all entities within the movement that hire staff to disclose > > the > > > > expected salary ranges for posts they are advertising, as part of > their > > > > commitment to equality, diversity and inclusion. > > > > > > > > Thanks for reading, > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1): https://showthesalary.com/ > > > > (2): e.g. at https://showthesalary.com/resources/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. *Power of Diverse Collaboration* *Sharing knowledge brings people together* Wikimania Bangkok 2021 August hosted by ESEAP Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page My print shop: https://www.redbubble.com/people/Gnangarra/shop?asc=u _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
