(In essence I think what I was trying to say is that we should be aiming
always to convey a professional image to the outside. If we are not careful
and simply just extract whatever crap (in present state) Wikipedia happens
to have, we've lost them before we start and may never get them back.)

2009/1/20 Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com>

> Oh, simply speaking from a WikiProject Australian Politics point of view,
> most of the articles from Whitlam onwards are riddled with partisan crap
> (from not just both political sides but one-issue campaigners as well) and
> some have been the scene of particularly hostile edit wars. John Howard I
> believe is being fixed at the moment but the process is still in train.
>
> Also need to think who or what we're aiming at. If we're thinking the
> students, we've got to consider that students will probably not see it to
> begin with, so we need to think of the educators' needs - especially the
> resource collection angle, which they're always looking for help on. For
> example - speaking as a person with Maths and Science teaching experience,
> most articles on those subjects on Wikipedia at present shoot way over the
> heads of our high school curricula and in some cases aren't even
> comprehensible to most teachers in the area (not all of whom are actually
> qualified to teach in the area - eg we have English teachers teaching Maths
> due to shortages). I've been talking to some teachers and resource centre
> coordinators and am intending to work with some of them to try and get a
> Wikipackage happening for the sectors I work with. Releases aren't even an
> issue as I'll be doing 90% of the work with simply very, very extensive
> feedback and review from others. A number of teachers are very interested in
> the product of such a process as it'll effectively be expert-driven.
>
> cheers
> Andrew
>
>
>
> 2009/1/20 private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com>
>
>> Well I started an export by category a few minutes ago, and have been
>> surprised that it's hit 164 megs and counting already! (there's only 30
>> articles in that list.... I was expecting about 30 / 50 Meg total - more
>> fool me, I guess!)
>>
>> The point of copying articles isn't really to drive quality, it's to
>> encourage participation. I'm hoping that schools, and other institutions may
>> find a small subset of wikipedia both a fun, rewarding and above all
>> educational sort of playground - though perhaps two notches down on the
>> anarchy scale of the big 'en' place itself ;-)
>>
>> I understand that I've got some work to do to further explain and develop
>> my ideas in this area, but right now I'm at the feasibility stage really
>> (and now 242 Megs and counting...)
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Peter,
>> PM.
>>
>> 2009/1/20 Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hmm, we might actually want to fix the Australian PM articles first :) The
>>> ones before 1949 should be OK to import though.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/20 private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> ah - cool! thanks heaps guys - I guess the Permission Error is just a
>>>> bit wrong - it should say the action is limited to sysops!
>>>>
>>>> I'll certainly take you up on the offer, James, although probably need
>>>> to figure out a bit more about 'namespaces' and such - I guess ideally
>>>> articles I export / import would sit somewhere like
>>>> http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia/Edmund_Barton(so
>>>>  within a subdirectory as oppose to just in the 'main' namespace)
>>>>
>>>> I'll tinker and see if I can export all the aussie Prime Minister
>>>> articles as a start, and see what utility we might be able to get from this
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Peter,
>>>> PM.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/1/20 James R. <e.wikipe...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Works for me too. If you'd like me to do any export/import from English
>>>>> Wikipedia, let me know the pages and I'll process them across.
>>>>>
>>>>> - James
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/1/20 Sarah Ewart <sarahew...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just went to special import and it seemed to be going to allow me to
>>>>>> do it. It said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please export the file from the source wiki using the export 
>>>>>> utility<http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:Export>.
>>>>>> Save it to your computer and upload it here.
>>>>>> Upload XML data  Filename:   Comment:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This might be helpful (or not):
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Import. It says: "Normally any user
>>>>>> can export wiki pages to a file, but to import pages into a wiki from a
>>>>>> file, you must have 'Sysop' privileges on that wiki."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sarah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/1/20 private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> being a 'starter of many things' (and the jury's out on whether or
>>>>>>> not I finish any of them!) - I've created this page;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Schools%27_Wikipedia_Australia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm aware of quite a few discussions in this area, and believe it's a
>>>>>>> great direction for the chapter to pursue... it's certainly something 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I'm up for working on as a fun and interesting project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was chatting with Werdna about how technically we might copy
>>>>>>> articles from en into a smaller 'collection for schools' - and he 
>>>>>>> talked me
>>>>>>> through the 'Special:Export' and 'Special:Import' functions - which
>>>>>>> basically just copy across an article and the last 1,000 revisions 
>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>> wikis... here's my technical question though - when I visit 
>>>>>>> 'Special:Import'
>>>>>>> on the au wiki it gives me a 'permission error ("The action you have
>>>>>>> requested is limited to registered users. Please read 
>>>>>>> Accounts<http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Accounts>to find out how to 
>>>>>>> register an account.")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if anyone technically minded has any ideas on how this could
>>>>>>> be fixed? - I'd like to test the funcitonality of this stuff, and maybe 
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> a few 'proof of concept' type collections :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> PM.
>>>>>>>
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