I was having a conversation with a teacher in the field today and they had
some interestinig thoughts about this. I take no credit for the ideas below
but am happy to share them as I essentially agree.

>From a history learning area viewpoint, evaluating/comparing/contrasting
viewpoints and interpretations of history may be a useful aim. Schools often
have unreliable net connections or blocks on sites or domains, and having it
on CD may be useful. However, to quote them, "my personal opinion is that
most teachers and schools would be very wary to accept it and use it - in
fear of being singled out in the media for using low quality sources and
materials - it would just be another version of "encarta"". This teacher's
feedback was interesting as we had been discussing their actual fairly heavy
use of Wikipedia in the course of developing their own lesson plans and
activities, as in the topics they personally cover, Wikipedia has excellent
coverage and reliable information, behaving almost as a model of how all of
Wiki should be.

Would there be any merit in going through the History learning area from the
NSW curriculum, which seems to have the most solid coverage of it, along
both Ancient and Modern streams and see if we can do something that would be
of use to them specifically? Once the NSW curriculum is covered (we may not
cover all of it, we may be quite selective initially), then go to Victoria
and WA, which have different curriculums and different priorities, but at
the same time a lot of overlap. You then have something that works for the
great majority of Australia, is specific to one area, focused, and would be
a mix of Wikipedia GFDL content and our own linkages to curricula and
possibly some resources and the like? There is an association for history
teachers in New South Wales and they're covered by an association here in
WA, if we got it to an "early pilot" level I'm sure we could obtain their
assistance. Narrowing the scope like this would ensure we got an
identifiable product that we could market to an identifiable group and have
very clear goals about where we're at.

What say others?


2009/1/23 Lloyd Nguyen <zero1...@gmail.com>

> You kind of get an idea of the complexity that builds up, after the
> hoops I jumped through to get the collapsible box template working, so
> I definitely think that we should have a very clear goal before
> proceeding any further with this.
> Frankly I still don't really understand why we need to import
> anything, at all. There are other options that don't create problems
> like templates, forks or obsolete data.
> We could simply have a shortlist of the articles, for example. We
> could make a list on our wiki, make some sort of category on
> Wikipedia, if that's permissible, or base it on an existing category.
> The Flagged Revisions system could be a tremendous help in future. We
> should also see how Wikipedia 1.0 is doing, and what their processes
> are. We don't really need to start from scratch.
> 2009/1/23 John Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>:
> > 2009/1/23 private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com>:
> >> I hope that a small feasibility test might be considered part of the
> >> organising of such a project - ...
> >
> > Feasibility of what?  To test feasibility, you need a clear idea of
> > what is expected or hoped for.
> >
> > Importing pages from en.wp is dependency hell.
> >
> > http://schools-wikipedia.org/  isnt a wiki; it is using software that
> > builds the pages from the wikipedia page.  Perhaps we could ask them
> > what software they are using...?  Veropedia has also developed similar
> > software; we could also ask them for tips, or use their infrastructure
> > by pushing pages through their review process and then saving their
> > generated HTML.
> >
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