Moving on, and bringing it back to what is important, Steven, can you
please address the questions which have been asked of you.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Steven Zhang <steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au
> Hi all,
> Just to confirm, this was a deliberate removal and not a technical error.
> Two brief points here:
> 1. This was not a unilateral action that I took - it was a discussion that
> the committee had in its January meeting, and decided on as a whole, in
> addition to being a decision that was made between another list
> administrator and myself. WMF staff have also been consulted and had no
> issues with the action taken.
> 2. We welcome discussion about the organisation, and having differing
> opinions is perfectly fine, but actively disrupting the list is against
> both the rules and spirit of the list, and always has been. The former
> member concerned has engaged in repeated personal attacks on a number of
> individuals, and it had reached a point where we were receiving complaints
> from members, along with other members resigning from the organisation due
> to the conduct on the mailing list.
> This list amongst other things is intended for use as a method for
> Australian community members (including but not limited to Wikimedia
> Australia members) to collaborate and communicate. In practice most of that
> has been regarding activities of the chapter. In order for it to be used
> for those purposes, it needs to be a safe and constructive space. Admin
> action was taken only to ensure that this continued to be the case.
> As always, the committee encourages feedback and input wherever possible
> if it can be of benefit to the organisation, and if you as members have any
> questions or concerns we encourage you to discuss them with us. As an
> organisation over the past few years we have too often engaged in conflict
> with each other rather than work with each other, and it's something that
> we as a committee hope to change.
> Steven Zhang
> President - Wikimedia Australia
> On 16 March 2014 18:45, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Sam Wilson <s...@samwilson.id.au> wrote:
>> > Yeah, Hanlon's razor perhaps should be remembered here! :-) Not that I
>> > to imply any incompetence on the part of the list administrators, but I
>> > imagine that it's more likely that someone's made a mistake here and is
>> > being actively mean.
>> Unfortunately Tony's allegations are spot on.
>> For background, Nathan Carter handed over the list admin to me in
>> January 2013 when he needed to shift his load around. I added Charles
>> Gregory as list admin in October 2013. Without consultation with me,
>> Steven Zhang was added as list admin. I dont know when. Charles, did
>> you add Steven as list admin, or was the WMF involved in that?
>> I've quickly spoken with Steven about Tony being put on the kill list,
>> and received confirmation both him and from Charles. They acted as a
>> majority of list admins, without informing me, but with approval from
>> the Wikimedia Australia committee and after discussion with a
>> Wikimedia Foundation staff member. It seems it happened in January,
>> in response to the emails Tony sent to the list in that month:
>> Steven Zhang was the person responsible for performing the kill list
>> I dont think that Tony's emails warranted this type of response.
>> Putting a respected member of our community on a kill list will
>> neither be particularly successful at silencing criticism, nor is the
>> kill list the appropriate tool - moderation would have been the tool
>> to use if Tony was being disruptive, and direct private discussion
>> between Tony and moderators didn't result in a better path forward.
>> Typically the kill list is used for spammers and people who are banned
>> from Wikimedia projects and are being disruptive on the mailing lists.
>> That does not apply to Tony.
>> It is rude to take these types of moderator actions without informing
>> the person involved, and informing other list admins even after the
>> fact if the action needed to be taken quickly to maintain decorum on
>> the list.
>> Steven and Charles are a bit vague on the details of how this
>> happened, so it is possible that not everyone who was consulted did
>> actually agree to Tony being put on a kill list, and I hope most of
>> them had envisaged that it was going to be implemented with with
>> utmost care for a volunteer that they strive to serve and support. I
>> hope the WMAU committee will give a more detailed explanation of their
>> involvement in this. To everyone who did knowingly agree to Tony
>> being put on a kill list: whether for incompetence, bad communication,
>> or some other excuse - I dont care why - you _should_ be ashamed of
>> This is a good time to have someone else, outside of the current
>> committee, step up to be list admin again so that this list does not
>> become effectively controlled by Wikimedia Australia, as we've now
>> seen the organisation will stoop to censorship of this list.
>> John Vandenberg
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