Kathy & all, We as a Country, and a
Society have created a Monster. We as a group can destroy that monster, but it
will take effort on the part of every individual, This Country was Founded on
the ideal of Tolerance, but somewhere along the line we have had certian
INDIVIDUALS who have forced their will on the majority( The persons who forced
Prohibition, and our 2 latest ones Madilyn OHare and the other one in
California with the Pledge of Alligence) We must be tolerant of the other person
and when that is practiced then we will truely be one Nation . We lose Good hard
working persons from Government Positions and from the Military because these
positions are intolerant of the other persons beliefs and lifestyles. In this we
are the Backward Nation. There are many Nations in the World who do not worry
about the lifestyles and beliefs of the other person and these Nations have
Person of the Gay lifestyle Serving in many positions without problems or
harassment
Sorry to be so long winded but it's time to start
and it only takes one to start. Bob Kaldunski
Oh by the way I do not particulary care for the Gay
Lifestyle but as long as they do not try to recruit me I will be
tolerant
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Subject: Fw: [Winona] Is it time for the
discussion? Polygamy
[Winona Online Democracy]
Interesting points. It makes me aware of the complex
intermingling of the "contract" of marriage vs. the "covenant" of
marriage. It seems to me that our laws really only apply to the legal
contract whereas the covenant is more of a moral/spiritual union. When
combined they create the socio-cultural phenomenon of marriage which varies
both between and within cultures.
The gay and lesbian couples I know seem to honor the covanant they make
to each other. It also seems that it is this covanant between
individuals that is the source of the controversy. I think that we all
know that our laws culturally sanction certain choices and behaviors. It
seems to me that the fight is so significant because citizens want laws that
reflect their own values. It seems only human that citizens resist a
change in the law that creates that kind of conflict or dissonance. Such
is the stuff of social justice. I don't think an issue like this can
totally be resolved by looking at the economics alone--the conflict is much
more around values and ethics.
Somehow I think that if the vast majority were able to honor the
covanants they have with their spouses and children, the rest would be
moot! I even think that most of us could agree that this is our goal as
social beings--we just disagree on how to get there.
Kathy Seifert
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Re: Polygamy-costs
Paul has brought up an important point with respect to the economic
consequences of any expansion of the inclusiveness of marriage. With respect
to polygamy, however, forms of this already have economic consequences in the
United States. I do not refer to the few Christian sects that have practiced it more or
less openly in Utah and Arizona, protected often by societal acceptance,
political inattention, and avoidance of contact with state law on marriage. I
do refer, however, to serial polygamy and multiple partnerships, both of which
are socially sanctioned to a greater or lesser degree in the United States.
Serial polygamy�marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce, and on and on�often has
a public cost as well as a private one.
Much more significant in terms of public cost is the issue of multiple
partnerships, reflected in major part in the situation of one-fourth of
children who currently are born outside of marriage.
So, in the highly unlikely event that polygamy could some day achieve
legality, the major change in costs would occur in the area of the
responsibility of private employers. The cost to government is there
already.
Roy Nasstrom
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