Well, they didn't give Mel Gibson the benefit of the doubt.  Why should we
you?

<grin>


Brad


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:16 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

...okay, I went off the deep end there. It was wrong of me to insult the
competition because I'm allowing myself to be baited. Sorry folks. Sorry
Trango. Ghrr.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:12 PM
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Almost as fun as predicting what product or policy Trango will
discontinue or otherwise dramatically change next!

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

Give the VL dual polarity via software control and you might have
something
worth taking note about.  Throw in dual band ability and now you're on
the
right track.

As it sits now Alvarion is requiring you to visit every site you have a
VL
radio and rotate it 90* in the event you need to do so.  Sounds like
fun!

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 2:37 PM
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Remember VLs will be shipping with support for optional manual
horizontal 
Pol mounting, sometime early 2007 (Jan?).
Not going to be a problem getting 6 VLs on a tower anymore, before even 
considering the 10Mhz channel option.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived


> Oh Patrick, you couldn't resist .... Motorola is extremely
conservative on
> the spec sheet.  "4.21 Mbps" Net typical" where you get that?  I got
> Advantage customers at 10 miles getting full 14 Mbps ...It may not be
the
> most effective modulation, but is a very good compromise between 
> performance
> and interference rejection.  And don't negate the fact that GPS is a
must
> have tool for Cell deployment, It saves you spectrum, tower space and
I 
> can
> play nice with other carriers using Canopy... Why you think all cell
> carriers rely on GPS ?
>
> Let me see a VL 6 60 deg Sector using only 60 Mhz of channels
>
> Let me see 3 VL Carriers sharing 1 tower
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 12:15 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
>
> Jon,
>
> With a proper channel plan that is just not the case, not to mention
> things like ATPC. Things like WiMAX use it because there you are
dealing
> with small frequency allocations where every last ounce of efficiency
> needs to be found. In UL that is not the case since there is so much
> more spectrum to work with.
>
> Please don't try to tell me Canopy's use of GPS is good example of UL
> efficiency. We both know Canopy's use of GPS is more the reality of
the
> fact that Canopy is always talking and has no ATPC so the GPS is used
to
> keep it from stepping on itself.
>
> And speaking about "efficiency," even the Canopy Advantage is a very
> inefficient modulation relative to something like VL. Advantage, but
> Motorola's own spec sheet, delivers 4.25mbps net typical, 14mbps max
(to
> 1 mile) in a 20MHz channel. VL does over 30mbps net max with typical
> over the air in an LOS environment being something like 80% of that
well
> over 1 mile.
>
> In any event, there exist too many examples to count of scaled VL
> networks with co-located cells say you are incorrect in your assertion
> that VL can't be built in a cellular topology. It is a silly thing to
> assert in fact.
>
> Patrick Leary
> AVP WISP Markets
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> Vonage: 650.641.1243
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Jon Langeler
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
>
> With VL, you still run into the issue of self interference in a
cellular
>
> deployment(many tower sites in a region). The only products I'm aware
of
>
> that cooperate properly in a cellular deployment are minimally GPS
> capable, and the advanced products that support things like hand-off
or
> N:1 deployment go beyond that with 2-way base station to base station
> communication. Technologies such as wimax, 3G, fiber networks, etc.
all
> use GPS to to improve efficiency and operation. IMO VL may still be a
> good product to deploy, but just not in a cellular or "colocated"
> deployment.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Tech.
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Although your comment is true, and you left out on the fly
flexibilty,
>
>> what people want is not always the best value, at the end of the day
>> with all things considered.
>> The value of consistent availability and right out of the box
>> deployment is PRICELIST!  This doesn't only save cost of installer
>> labor, but also management labor in purchasing and aquisition.
>>
>> I'll share something from my experience that I find is Ironic as
heck.
>
>> I always looked at Alvarion as the high end market gear, but its
being
>
>> a stronger residential play.   I recently have done a lot with
>> War/StarV3 for high end business, mostly Point to Point links,
because
>
>> I can get good speed, flexibilty to reach the neighboring building,
>> and great testing tools with things like Iperf  BUILT-IN able to test
>> Ethernet connections as well as RF conclusively link by link, as hops
>> increase as the backbone mesh grows.  Alvarion is also a great
product
>
>> for high end business, which I'm also using in some cases, but I have
>> a higher cost to accomplish that, since StarOS has dual radio slots.
>> Where Alvarion has now shown undisputable advantage based on its new
>> low price, is in its residential application. The difference between
>> $185 and $285, is almost nothing compared to my time savings in
>> operations.  The ease of opening the box and installing a VL is
>> unmatched.  What VL does for me, is that it gives me confidence in
>> using subcontractors to isntall. Because I know they'll take the time
>> to make sure they get the best signal.  With my other gear, its such
a
>
>> pain to get best signal, I was afraid to use contractors and only do
>> installs with employees by the hour, so their income did not deter
>> them from doing their best job. I gladly pay $100 more for a complete
>> ready to go product. The only thing that keeps me from going 100%
>> Alvarion for residential is that, I already have 100 APs installed of
>> another manufacturer, and I need to focus on revenue not re-build
>> out.  Its not just the cost to replace the AP, its the cost to
replace
>
>> the consumers without downtime, all at once, when there is little
free
>
>> spectrum left to just install a new AP.  To install a new AP, and
>> existing AP must be removed first, in many cases.  From a
>> performance/reliabilty point of view, there is nothing wrong with the
>> gear I previously preferred to use, but from an operations and
>> installation point of view, my operations can scale much easier using
>> the VL.  Low marging residential is where that matters most.  Its
>> important to be able to have consistent install time and meet
>> schedules.  The other day I ran out of pigtail. The other day I ran
>> out of thin thread stand offs. The other day I ran out of J-Arms. The
>> other day I ran out of antennas that came with mounts that support
>> 2-3/8" pole.  Everyday there is a barrier that delays operations.
Sure
>
>> an easy barrier to fix, but still a delay. Instead of focussing on
>> sales, I'm focusing on making sure I have enough Gold standoffs in
>> stock (5 cent parts).  There is something to be said for what
Alvarion
>
>> has offered through the Commnet program, probably one of the
strongest
>
>> value propositions offered to date.  Its going to really make the
>> competition work.  Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> The competitions, just better hope that Alvarion doesn't offer an AP
>> trade-up program, to help conversion.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
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