Canopy is outdoor. I don't want interop as I want to control users to my system. The coverage, range, throughput has been totally smoke to date. I am still waiting for 70 Mbps at 70 miles PTMP. We don't roam, allow roaming or want to allow roaming. We don't operate in areas where ITU is a concern. Our systems are very automated....
I just don't see how any purported WiMax system is better in any way for my Canopy based WISP. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > Here is a list of some of what makes WiMax better than most other WISP > solutions out there: > > -Engineered for outdoor broadband wireless delivery > -Strict Interoperability Requirement between all vendors > -Standardized platform which has been accepted globally > -Support for multiple antenna ie. MIMO, AAS, Diversity, etc. which > delivers increased operational coverage area above antything else in > the WISP industry. > -Roaming and national footprint options across unlicensed and licensed > networks > -ITU Recognized standard > -Mobility options > -System automation options > > This is a partial list. What is most important to remember is that the > rest of the world has already built on this standard. I am not > suggesting anything radical in saying we need to get up to speed with > the rest of the world on what has been accepted as the standard for > broadband delivery over wireless in 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz bandspace. > Scriv > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >>>I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently >>>use. >>> I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy >>> into >>> a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are >>> pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed >>> bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of >>> the >>> WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 >>> megs. >>> Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no >>> matter >>> the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth >>> it. >>> >>> I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with >>> dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or >>> Tsunami >>> introduced that just doesn't play well with others. >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>> >>> >>>>I do not think we should build our networks for the "sole purpose of >>>> suckering, err, selling to someone else". I do believe that I want >>>> anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not >>>> "suckering" anyone. Why not build something that holds value or >>>> appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax >>>> networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations >>>> for WISPs and better economies of scale. >>>> >>>> Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for >>>> new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a chance >>>> to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest of >>>> the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of you >>>> think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to us >>>> if we adopt WiMax in 3.65? I am surprised more of you are not speaking >>>> up and saying you agree with this philosophy. Dividing the camp on >>>> this will not help us as an industry. >>>> >>>> I would like to see this group, for once, accept that we need to do >>>> something together, as a group, for the common good. I think this is >>>> that opportunity. I see little reason for us to take any other course >>>> of action in 3.65 GHz. WISPs need to do something as a group to help >>>> our industry. WiMax in 3.65 is that logical step for us to work >>>> together and reach some scale and some value. >>>> >>>> This is not about "suckering" anyone or being "stuck in a rut". This >>>> is a chance for us to move to the next level. It is almost >>>> embarrassing to me that we are actually behind the rest of the world >>>> here in the US when it comes to this band. WiMax is a serious platform >>>> with many advantages over anything else we have built and used. The >>>> light licensed opportunities in 3.65 are an incredible experiment that >>>> we need to show success in. If we choose WiMax and adopt this as the >>>> platform for 3.65 I believe we will advance our entire industry to a >>>> higher level of funding opportunities, operational reliability, more >>>> service offerings, etc. >>>> Scriv >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for >>>>> the >>>>> sole >>>>> purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. >>>>> >>>>> Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It >>>>> reminds >>>>> me >>>>> of "flipping houses" or "speculative oil investing", perhaps? >>>>> >>>>> Now, to build a business SOLELY for the purpose of selling for a huge >>>>> chunk >>>>> of money to someone larger, of planned consolidation seems >>>>> self-defeating. >>>>> yes, you might profit, but wha have you really done productively? >>>>> >>>>> Still, there are many of us who are NOT intending to "build to sell". >>>>> We're not in the business of flipping customers to someone else. In >>>>> that >>>>> case, overspending for the return on your dollar makes little sense. >>>>> I'm >>>>> not sure if ANY hardware platform makes sense in this industry. If >>>>> we >>>>> run >>>>> the numbers, does it actually havea positive return? I suspect not. >>>>> >>>>> Still, for those of us who aer NOT in the business of polishing up a >>>>> turd >>>>> to >>>>> sell to someone else ( You have no idea how long I've waited to use >>>>> that >>>>> term, since I read it a few years ago!), the investment and prices >>>>> don't >>>>> make any real sense... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A number of WISPS are moving to this platform as they find that >>>>>> the higher end equipment is worth more on a buyout. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lets put it this way. If you have a network to sell, how much more >>>>>> do >>>>>> you >>>>>> think you will get if you have Cisco instead of Mikrotik? Nothing >>>>>> against >>>>>> them, but the quality of your infrastructure is heavily weighed >>>>>> during >>>>>> a >>>>>> buyout. If you don't agree, check the many spam's on this and other >>>>>> lists >>>>>> from the guys buying networks. Some won't even look at you if you >>>>>> don't >>>>>> have Canopy or better equipment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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