Mot has been asking their users for opinions as to what they should do there. They were very interested in whether or not we thought it should be standards based. I told them that I wanted a closed proprietary system. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP
>I am not trying to tell people that they should abandon what they > have. I am simply trying to make the case for WiMax in 3.65 GHz space. > I do not think that is in conflict with what you have deployed. Is > Motorola planning to deploy a system for 3.65 GHz? I have not heard > anything about that. > Scriv > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Canopy is outdoor. >> I don't want interop as I want to control users to my system. >> The coverage, range, throughput has been totally smoke to date. I am >> still >> waiting for 70 Mbps at 70 miles PTMP. >> We don't roam, allow roaming or want to allow roaming. >> We don't operate in areas where ITU is a concern. >> Our systems are very automated.... >> >> I just don't see how any purported WiMax system is better in any way for >> my >> Canopy based WISP. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >>> Here is a list of some of what makes WiMax better than most other WISP >>> solutions out there: >>> >>> -Engineered for outdoor broadband wireless delivery >>> -Strict Interoperability Requirement between all vendors >>> -Standardized platform which has been accepted globally >>> -Support for multiple antenna ie. MIMO, AAS, Diversity, etc. which >>> delivers increased operational coverage area above antything else in >>> the WISP industry. >>> -Roaming and national footprint options across unlicensed and licensed >>> networks >>> -ITU Recognized standard >>> -Mobility options >>> -System automation options >>> >>> This is a partial list. What is most important to remember is that the >>> rest of the world has already built on this standard. I am not >>> suggesting anything radical in saying we need to get up to speed with >>> the rest of the world on what has been accepted as the standard for >>> broadband delivery over wireless in 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz bandspace. >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>>> What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>>> >>>> >>>>>I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently >>>>>use. >>>>> I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't >>>>> buy >>>>> into >>>>> a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are >>>>> pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, >>>>> committed >>>>> bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 >>>>> megs. >>>>> Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no >>>>> matter >>>>> the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with >>>>> dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or >>>>> Tsunami >>>>> introduced that just doesn't play well with others. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I do not think we should build our networks for the "sole purpose of >>>>>> suckering, err, selling to someone else". I do believe that I want >>>>>> anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not >>>>>> "suckering" anyone. Why not build something that holds value or >>>>>> appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax >>>>>> networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations >>>>>> for WISPs and better economies of scale. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for >>>>>> new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a >>>>>> chance >>>>>> to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest >>>>>> of >>>>>> the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of >>>>>> you >>>>>> think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to us >>>>>> if we adopt WiMax in 3.65? I am surprised more of you are not >>>>>> speaking >>>>>> up and saying you agree with this philosophy. Dividing the camp on >>>>>> this will not help us as an industry. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to see this group, for once, accept that we need to do >>>>>> something together, as a group, for the common good. I think this is >>>>>> that opportunity. I see little reason for us to take any other course >>>>>> of action in 3.65 GHz. WISPs need to do something as a group to help >>>>>> our industry. WiMax in 3.65 is that logical step for us to work >>>>>> together and reach some scale and some value. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not about "suckering" anyone or being "stuck in a rut". This >>>>>> is a chance for us to move to the next level. It is almost >>>>>> embarrassing to me that we are actually behind the rest of the world >>>>>> here in the US when it comes to this band. WiMax is a serious >>>>>> platform >>>>>> with many advantages over anything else we have built and used. The >>>>>> light licensed opportunities in 3.65 are an incredible experiment >>>>>> that >>>>>> we need to show success in. If we choose WiMax and adopt this as the >>>>>> platform for 3.65 I believe we will advance our entire industry to a >>>>>> higher level of funding opportunities, operational reliability, more >>>>>> service offerings, etc. >>>>>> Scriv >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>> I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> sole >>>>>>> purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It >>>>>>> reminds >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> of "flipping houses" or "speculative oil investing", perhaps? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, to build a business SOLELY for the purpose of selling for a >>>>>>> huge >>>>>>> chunk >>>>>>> of money to someone larger, of planned consolidation seems >>>>>>> self-defeating. >>>>>>> yes, you might profit, but wha have you really done productively? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still, there are many of us who are NOT intending to "build to >>>>>>> sell". >>>>>>> We're not in the business of flipping customers to someone else. >>>>>>> In >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> case, overspending for the return on your dollar makes little sense. >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not sure if ANY hardware platform makes sense in this industry. If >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> run >>>>>>> the numbers, does it actually havea positive return? I suspect >>>>>>> not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still, for those of us who aer NOT in the business of polishing up a >>>>>>> turd >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> sell to someone else ( You have no idea how long I've waited to use >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> term, since I read it a few years ago!), the investment and prices >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> make any real sense... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A number of WISPS are moving to this platform as they find that >>>>>>>> the higher end equipment is worth more on a buyout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lets put it this way. If you have a network to sell, how much more >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> think you will get if you have Cisco instead of Mikrotik? Nothing >>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>> them, but the quality of your infrastructure is heavily weighed >>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> buyout. If you don't agree, check the many spam's on this and >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> lists >>>>>>>> from the guys buying networks. Some won't even look at you if you >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> have Canopy or better equipment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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