There is another company called SES Americom that is doing this with rural
telcos.   Their link is:
http://www.ip-prime.tv/ipprime/index.php

However, their price is around 500K upfront last I checked, and they did not
have that many HD channels (their website currently says 30).  

I just printed off and read the PDF link.  It seems very interesting, and
the below price seems much more affordable.  Is their wholesale pricing such
that you can compete with their retail side?

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

It's about $40k for up to 512 receivers, another $25k or so for up to 1024 
receivers.


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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

> Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs?
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
>>
>> They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version and
>> an HD
>> DVR version.
>>
>> AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
>> channel (I
>> asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits.
>> It
>> is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same
>> upstream...  stream.
>>
>> The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
>> project and
>> massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.  The deal with the ROW
>> is
>> that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a
>> franchise.
>>
>> http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
>>
>>
>> ----------
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
>>
>> > I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a
>> > mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
>> receivers
>> > involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this
>> > would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> il.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They send
>> the
>> >> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV
>> >> receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed to
>> cross a
>> >> public right of way with the DirecTV content.
>> >>
>> >> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask.  Otherwise, I'll pass
>> you on
>> >> to
>> >> the reps at the companies I've been working with.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM
>> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
>> >>
>> >>> Ok folks,
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest
>> >>> started
>> >>> because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they
>> are
>> >>> debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this
>> one
>> >>> is
>> >>> to
>> >>> build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed
>> to
>> >>> the
>> >>> tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run
>> fiber
>> >>> to
>> >>> the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a
>> great
>> >>> time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we
>> will
>> >>> be
>> >>> offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service
>> over
>> >>> the
>> >>> FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do
>> fiber
>> >>> here
>> >>> is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that,
>> so
>> >>> chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of
>> trees. So
>> >>> again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or
>> satellite
>> >>> service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go
>> with us
>> >>> if
>> >>> we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of
>> a way
>> >>> to
>> >>> distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the
>> dish
>> >>> on
>> >>> the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to
>> the
>> >>> homes over the fiber?
>> >>>
>> >>> Michiana Wireless, Inc.
>> >>> John Buwa, President
>> >>>
>> >>> http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
>> >>> 574-233-7170
>> >>>
>> >>> "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"
>> >>>
>> >>> *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
>> >>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM
>> >>>> To: WISPA General List
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We can buy the ONT for $375.
>> >>>> The COE per sub works out to about another $200.
>> >>>> So $500 plus the strand of fiber.  Drop fiber can be had for 25
>> cents
>> >>>> per
>> >>>> foot.
>> >>>> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot.   Including cleanup.
>> >>>>  In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub.
>> >>>> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum.  We
>> are
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> the black the second year.
>> >>>> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the
>> landscaping
>> >>>> much.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> >>>> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under
>> the
>> >>>> >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or
>> >>>> County.
>> >>>> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination
>> with
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something
>> >>>> somewhere
>> >>>> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the
>> time
>> >>>> it's
>> >>>> >> all said and done (possibly more).
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for
>> fiber/cable/dsl/copper
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom
>> >>>> > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of
>> >>>> subscribers
>> >>>> > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront.
>> >>>> >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be
>> way
>> >>>> ahead
>> >>>> >> (in 6 months they will be 5k).
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Yep.  And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in
>> terms of
>> >>>> > rights of way etc.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059
>> >>>> > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com
>> >>>> > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
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