All, For further clarification- our solution has different hardware and software that is manufactured for us by tranzeo. It is not the same solution they sell as their own.
Jeff Booher Director of Sales, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Holdenrid Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Redline, APerto, and Vecima are offering a full solution with base station and CPE (built by Tranzeo) Tranzeo has the Pico solution that is 100% Tranzeo AP and CPE. The PICO is lower cost and is limited to a low number of CPE's to AP's. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Do you mean the CPE? They have a 5.8 pico base station, but only 3.65 CPE/SU from what I've been told by Tranzeo. Something to do with their choice of chipset. Gino Villarini wrote: > Tranzeo just got their AP certified, not the Aperto > > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:43 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 > > > > Tranzeo and Aperto are operating in a partnership. Their base station > was around $8k when I checked about 30 days ago. > > Travis > > > Gino Villarini wrote: > > Tranzeo > Airspan > Vecima > > All 802.16d > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:15 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 > > Like? > > Gino Villarini wrote: > > > There are some below $5k BSU solutions on the market > > > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:30 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 > > > > Matt, > > I agree. We are looking at the same thing... putting up some 3.65ghz > AP's on our "bigger" towers and moving heavy usage customers to that. > However, until base stations are less than $8k, the WiMax people can > keep spending money on advertising, trade-shows, etc. telling us how > great they are, I'm not going to buy. > > When you can buy a licensed microwave radio link for $8k (less > antennas), and you know the company is making money, there is no > > > reason > > > 3.65ghz base stations have to be $8k+. > > Hopefully at some point, they will wake up and realize there is an > entire market they are missing. > > Travis > Microserv > > Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > > I'm with Travis on this, with the exception of using StarOS instead > of > > > > > > Mikrotik. It is nice to have a set of standard, mature tools > such as > > > > > > radius, cbq/iptable rules and standard, non-vendor specific hardware > > > to > > > work with instead of having to use a limited, proprietary system > > > limited > > > to a single vendor. I've deployed/consulted on 802.11 a/b/g > networks > representing 8000+ CPE units and it can be made to work just > fine as > long as it is managed properly. Travis is a pro, and he has > the > experience to design his network in such a way as to maximize > the > performance of his equipment. There are many others out there > having > > > > > > the same success. > > FWIW, I believe the most logical next step is to start moving > heavy > usage customers over to 3.65 WiMAX gear starting next spring. > I > > > think > > > we are near the threshold of what is going to be possible with > unlicensed equipment - barring some kind of amazing > breakthrough. I > foresee a need to deploy smaller and smaller cells to maintain > the > desired performance level. It helps to have 10mhz channel sizes > > available to maximize the utilization of existing spectrum, but > even > that is starting to get awfully crowded. Whitespaces sure > would > > > help. > > > > I spent the last two years putting up 802.11a based APs across > my > > > entire > > > service area and migrating customers from 2.4 to them to get the > > > higher > > > ARPU from faster speeds and VOIP service. I foresee spending > the > > > next > > > two years deploying licensed backhauls and 3.65 APs starting > with the > > > > > > high traffic areas and working out to the fringes. Its the > > > neverending > > > story. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > Hi, > > We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static > IP > address. > We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for > management). > > When I posted the question a month ago about how to force an > SM > to > connect to a specific AP on a tower, the only answer was > "color > code". > This isn't really an option, as that means the installer has > to > change > the color code in the field. All of our current radios are > setup > and > ready to connect to ANY tower and ANY AP on that tower without > the > installer doing anything in the field. > > And how does first level tech support even find the correct > radio in the > AP list for a customer on the phone? They have to scroll > through > 160 > people to find them by MAC address? > > Yes, Canopy is a slower radio in today's world. 14Mbps of > total > throughput on a 20mhz channel is SLOW. Using Mikrotik I can > get > 30Mbps > (double the speed) on the same channel size. Or I can use a > 10mhz > channel and get 15Mbps. And all these speeds can be delivered > via upload > or download or any combination, I don't have to set a specific > > percentage of up/down. > > And how do you guarantee 7ms latency? What happens if a > customer > gets > 8ms? And how do they test that measurement? And what happens > when a > customer completely clobbers an AP and 160 customers are > getting > 20ms > latency? Or you have interference from a new provider and all > those > people get 100ms latency? > > Travis > Microserv > > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > > > > All of the complaints are easily overcome with the > proper management software, DHCP reservations etc. You can > easily > > > force > > > the SM to connect to the exact AP you want a couple different > ways. > > > And > > > there are several non motorola software packages that do this > kind of > stuff. We have 5000 subs on it and we don't break a sweat in > managing > any of this. > > We put 128-160 customers per AP and they all still get > 10.2 Mbps burst. Slower radio? That seems pretty fast to me. > And we guarantee latency to 7 mS. Hmmm, that is pretty > hard to do with anyone else. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 > years ago, and once about a month ago. We just can't make it fit > into > our network management (IP database, Call tracking, customer > > > management, > > > etc.) system very well... having customer radios that change > their > > > LUID > > > and IP address every time they register, having to set the > bandwidth > > > on > > > each SM instead of the AP, having no security or ways to control > which > AP a customer connects to without having to buy their software, > etc. > > All that, plus paying MORE for a slower radio than > what we are using just didn't make sense. I can put up an AP > (2.4ghz, > 5.3ghz, 5.4ghz, or 5.8ghz) for less than > $400 that will support 50 customers, using only 10mhz > wide channels... and each CPE is less than $175 complete > (including > > > PoE, > > > antenna). > > Canopy seems to work well for many people... but I've > never been one to follow the "norm". And I get to put $50 in my > pocket > on every install, and $1,000 for every AP we put up. ;) > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > Well that is a testimony to your quality of service for > sure. > Now, if you were using Canopy your customers would be > even happier! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > I have Qwest DSL, CableOne, another WISP (doing "up > to > 4meg" for $29.95 > with Canopy), and a licensed WiMax (2.5ghz) provider > (doing "up to > 2meg", mobile, for $29.95). I have a lot of > competition... and yet we > have no sales people, no real advertising campaign, and > more installs > than we can keep up with each month. > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > You must not have competitors. I have both Qwest > and Comcast giving away > multi megabit starting at $15.95 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers > > > I guess that's my point... why offer more bandwidth > than you have to? > Most people don't need more than 1meg, and that's our > most popular > package for $39.95 per month (total, no modem rental > fee, etc.). Why give > away the farm if you don't have to? :) > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > Wow, with all that bandwidth, I'm surprised you dont > offer higher speeds. > > Technically speaking, the download & upload price is > the > same. From a > cost standpoint, I allocate the download & upload > separately because I > am "forced" to pay dearly ($1200/month) to AT&T for my > dual T1's which > are required for "decent" upload speeds. Right now, my > traffic is > split so all port 80 traffic flows though the 4Mbps x > 2Mbps connection > through Time Warner which runs over $500/month. This > works fairly well > for now since about half the traffic is web browsing. > When I bought > this WISP there was no management, monitoring or > reporting. I took > care of the management & monitoring and I'm working on > the reporting. > The best thing I've done is replace the StarOS firewall > with Mikrotik > and set up traffic priority. > Whew! Lots of work. At any rate, I'm working on my > upstream connection > next. I really need to get the cost down. > > Thanks! -RickG > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Travis Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick, > > Yes, all of our packages are symmetrical speeds (same > download and > upload). > So if they buy our 512k package, they get 512k down x > 512k up all the > time. > They are not "dedicated" connections, but rather you > get > what you pay for > connections. We still oversubscribe users on an AP, but > only to the point > where each AP is running around 60% capacity during > peak > times, thus > leaving > room for bursts, etc. We graph and monitor every single > AP (over 200 of > them) and every single user (bandwidth, packets, RSSI, > etc.) so we always > know what's happening on our network. > > We currently have three full OC-3 (155Mbps) dedicated > connections to the > backbone. On average, we pay $40/meg for bandwidth. Why > is your upload > price > different than your download price? > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > > Travis, > > Nice work! Therefore, you are selling dedicated > bandwidth to all of > your customers. In other words, if all your customers > run speed test > at the same time they will get what their plan allows. > If you dont > mind, I have a few questions: > Is the above scenario true for upload speed as well as > download speed? > What are you paying for your upstream connection? > What type of upstream connection do you have? > > I'd like to be there and I keep hoping cheap bandwidth > comes my way. > When you are paying $150/meg for download and $400/meg > for upload, the > business model is tough. > > -RickG > > BTW: I'd take this offlist if you prefer but I think > this is a problem > that many us us small WISP's face. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Travis Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Every customer can get the speed they are paying for > ANY > time they run a > speed test. We offer packages from 512k to 2.5meg for > residential > customers > and they always get what they pay for (download AND > upload, which is the > same for all of our packages). > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: > > Travis, > > If I understand this correctly, you have at least 1Mbps > or higher of > bandwidth for every customer? > > -RickG > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Travis Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We deliver what the customers pay for. If they purchase > a 1Mbps package, > they get 1Mbps 24x7 (with no monthly bit caps). > Personally I have never > liked the "up to" speed packages... it's like going to > Walmart and > buying milk. You can pay $3 for a full 1 gallon, or you > can pay $2 for > "up to" a gallon (without really knowing how much you > are going to get, > but it will be somewhere between nothing and a full > gallon). > > Travis > Microserv > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > > Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so > much bandwidth that > you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of > downloading. And > what > do you tell them when they start complaining about the > throttled down > speed. > (they don't know your throttling them though) > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------- > WISPA Wants You! 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