Many people have missed the boat on what the differenciating factor was for Trango.... Trango's value is not measured by "throughput", but instead "deployment methodology".
Proceedure.... 1) Accept Customer Order. 2) Go Onsite for the First Time, or to teh Tower to deploy the AP side of needed. 3) Do a Survey Scan, (software imbedded in Radio), and listen for LEAST noisy channel, confident that it will hear ALL noise. 4) You now know how not to interfere with all your other inplace links, and the best option and alternate options for channel selection. 5) You now have the flexibilty to turn up teh 5.8G or 5.3G radio, or Verticle or Horizontal, or Long range Dish or short range panel. But what ever your need is to get a free usable channels, you ahve it right there with you, with every option to your advantage to use as needed. 6) All testing tools you need are right there in the Software to crtify performance. 7) You walk away from your first visit onsite, with a "Check" and your first Client live and running perfectly. Then there is 6 months later, when your customer calls with an outage. 1) You log in remotely 2) You do a link test. You do a survey scan. 3) You quickly understand exactly what you need to do to repair the link in the shortest time period possible. 4) You are empowered to make the changes on the fly remotely, with out the truck roll bneeded 99% of the time. 5) You are now on the phone getting praised for your amazing response time that your company uniquely delivers, instead of taking the cancellation notice that you would be taking had you not made the decission to use trango. Whether you are deploying a PtP Atlas or a PtMP system, its that same general model. Sure, its less advantageous now that the 5.3 has been discontinued for 5830 line, but my point is the model was there originally when WISPs made decissions to buy into the concept of Trango. My point is.... There are some really nice products evolving such as Ligowave, StarOS, MIkrotik, and the many others.... For example Teletronics jsut came out with a new 2 Ether 2 mPCI board also. And they offer speed and good value. But they are still missing the CORE basic feature set that Trango offered, to empower a WISP to manage its network and install process better. Other vendors pretend to have the above features... But not really to an equal caliber. For example, siure a Mikrotik can listen for noise, but you have to associate first, or other wise not hear all technology's noise, and end up temporarilly interfering with someone before you can see if jsut the single channel does interfer. MAnufacturers ahve come a long way, but they still need improved MACs that allow them to offer the Basic Core management features. I'm not sure it is possible today with standard OEM/OFDM products, because if it was, it would have been done already. The closest thing to accomplsihing it, is Canopy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? >I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the > Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and at > most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used) > easily > outperforms in wireless distance, throughput and (my favorite) capability. > > I have no experience with Canopy but I can imagine from all the great > buffs > it gets around here and their well known history in wireless I don't doubt > it is a good product. > > Redline is to radios as Sony is to LCDs. Can't be beat in quality... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" >> >decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could >> >support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it >> >today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on >> >the market: >> >> I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. >> I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I >> would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are >> that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. >> >> >Next = Mikrotik >> >Next = Trango, Canopy, etc >> >> Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class >> as Trango and Canopy. >> >> >So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last >> >2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? >> >> I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened >> to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good >> example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is >> expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", >> but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are >> working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is >> available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. >> They service companies that are better funded, which typically means >> larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. >> >> I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't >> intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole >> would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is >> better" mindframe. >> >> -- >> ******************************************************************** >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> ******************************************************************** >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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