I had the same question. The main difference is that we know before the roll in most cases the frequency and color code and if that ap is blocked by trees we generally have several others in different directions that the tech can switch to on the fly. Most importantly, 6 months later it is still working. 5 years later it is still working. On the few with problems the call center folks diagnose and fix the problem remotely. Only if the wind has caused a misalignment do we have to do a truck roll. I have yet to see any material difference or benefit to using Trango over Canopy. But I can show the converse.
----- Original Message ----- From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > Tom, > > Can you please help me understand how that procedure is any different then > Canopy except the software selectable polarity? My only experience with > Trango SU's has been on the bench, and I really wasn't impressed > (especially > after I heard all of the bitching from the tower guys I worked with that > did > have to deal with them) > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:11 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > > Many people have missed the boat on what the differenciating factor was > for > Trango.... > Trango's value is not measured by "throughput", but instead "deployment > methodology". > > Proceedure.... > > 1) Accept Customer Order. > 2) Go Onsite for the First Time, or to teh Tower to deploy the AP side of > needed. > 3) Do a Survey Scan, (software imbedded in Radio), and listen for LEAST > noisy channel, confident that it will hear ALL noise. > 4) You now know how not to interfere with all your other inplace links, > and > the best option and alternate options for channel selection. > 5) You now have the flexibilty to turn up teh 5.8G or 5.3G radio, or > Verticle or Horizontal, or Long range Dish or short range panel. But what > ever your need is to get a free usable channels, you ahve it right there > with you, with every option to your advantage to use as needed. > 6) All testing tools you need are right there in the Software to crtify > performance. > 7) You walk away from your first visit onsite, with a "Check" and your > first > > Client live and running perfectly. > > Then there is 6 months later, when your customer calls with an outage. > > 1) You log in remotely > 2) You do a link test. You do a survey scan. > 3) You quickly understand exactly what you need to do to repair the link > in > the shortest time period possible. > 4) You are empowered to make the changes on the fly remotely, with out > the > truck roll bneeded 99% of the time. > 5) You are now on the phone getting praised for your amazing response time > that your company uniquely delivers, instead of taking the cancellation > notice that you would be taking had you not made the decission to use > trango. > > Whether you are deploying a PtP Atlas or a PtMP system, its that same > general model. Sure, its less advantageous now that the 5.3 has been > discontinued for 5830 line, but my point is the model was there originally > when WISPs made decissions to buy into the concept of Trango. > > My point is.... There are some really nice products evolving such as > Ligowave, StarOS, MIkrotik, and the many others.... For example > Teletronics > jsut came out with a new 2 Ether 2 mPCI board also. And they offer speed > and good value. But they are still missing the CORE basic feature set that > Trango offered, to empower a WISP to manage its network and install > process > better. > > Other vendors pretend to have the above features... But not really to an > equal caliber. For example, siure a Mikrotik can listen for noise, but you > have to associate first, or other wise not hear all technology's noise, > and > > end up temporarilly interfering with someone before you can see if jsut > the > single channel does interfer. > > MAnufacturers ahve come a long way, but they still need improved MACs that > allow them to offer the Basic Core management features. I'm not sure it is > possible today with standard OEM/OFDM products, because if it was, it > would > have been done already. > > The closest thing to accomplsihing it, is Canopy. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > > >>I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the >> Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and >> at >> most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used) >> easily >> outperforms in wireless distance, throughput and (my favorite) >> capability. >> >> I have no experience with Canopy but I can imagine from all the great >> buffs >> it gets around here and their well known history in wireless I don't >> doubt >> it is a good product. >> >> Redline is to radios as Sony is to LCDs. Can't be beat in quality... >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> --- Henry Spencer >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" >>> >decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could >>> >support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it >>> >today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on >>> >the market: >>> >>> I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. >>> I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I >>> would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are >>> that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. >>> >>> >Next = Mikrotik >>> >Next = Trango, Canopy, etc >>> >>> Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class >>> as Trango and Canopy. >>> >>> >So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last >>> >2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? >>> >>> I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened >>> to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good >>> example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is >>> expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", >>> but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are >>> working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is >>> available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. >>> They service companies that are better funded, which typically means >>> larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. >>> >>> I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't >>> intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole >>> would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is >>> better" mindframe. >>> >>> -- >>> ******************************************************************** >>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>> ******************************************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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