I'd argue... why are you buying a 5830SU? There are some rare cases its needed, for example to intergrate with a 32db long range dish. But we stopped using those long ago. The 5580 w/ behive antrenna outperforms the 5830, and sub $300. And the new DSS dish for the 5580, is really cool, with the new adjustments, to allow any direction alignment without scewing polarity.
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > Truck roll: $50 > MikroTik CPE: $200 > Trango SU: $786 (as of Nov 26 2008 2AM) > Repairing your Trango link without having to truck roll: *three times* the > price of MikroTik and slow truck roll (no, not priceless - we live in a > capitalist economy) > > Source: > http://www.trangobroadband.com/store/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=M5830S-SU > > On a serious note - what issues were fixed remotely with Trango? The only > issue that come to mind are bad radios and repointing dishes on those > "long" > 8 mile links after a wind storm. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Tom DeReggi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Many people have missed the boat on what the differenciating factor was >> for >> Trango.... >> Trango's value is not measured by "throughput", but instead "deployment >> methodology". >> >> Proceedure.... >> >> 1) Accept Customer Order. >> 2) Go Onsite for the First Time, or to teh Tower to deploy the AP side of >> needed. >> 3) Do a Survey Scan, (software imbedded in Radio), and listen for LEAST >> noisy channel, confident that it will hear ALL noise. >> 4) You now know how not to interfere with all your other inplace links, >> and >> the best option and alternate options for channel selection. >> 5) You now have the flexibilty to turn up teh 5.8G or 5.3G radio, or >> Verticle or Horizontal, or Long range Dish or short range panel. But >> what >> ever your need is to get a free usable channels, you ahve it right there >> with you, with every option to your advantage to use as needed. >> 6) All testing tools you need are right there in the Software to crtify >> performance. >> 7) You walk away from your first visit onsite, with a "Check" and your >> first >> Client live and running perfectly. >> >> Then there is 6 months later, when your customer calls with an outage. >> >> 1) You log in remotely >> 2) You do a link test. You do a survey scan. >> 3) You quickly understand exactly what you need to do to repair the link >> in >> the shortest time period possible. >> 4) You are empowered to make the changes on the fly remotely, with out >> the >> truck roll bneeded 99% of the time. >> 5) You are now on the phone getting praised for your amazing response >> time >> that your company uniquely delivers, instead of taking the cancellation >> notice that you would be taking had you not made the decission to use >> trango. >> >> Whether you are deploying a PtP Atlas or a PtMP system, its that same >> general model. Sure, its less advantageous now that the 5.3 has been >> discontinued for 5830 line, but my point is the model was there >> originally >> when WISPs made decissions to buy into the concept of Trango. >> >> My point is.... There are some really nice products evolving such as >> Ligowave, StarOS, MIkrotik, and the many others.... For example >> Teletronics >> jsut came out with a new 2 Ether 2 mPCI board also. And they offer speed >> and good value. But they are still missing the CORE basic feature set >> that >> Trango offered, to empower a WISP to manage its network and install >> process >> better. >> >> Other vendors pretend to have the above features... But not really to an >> equal caliber. For example, siure a Mikrotik can listen for noise, but >> you >> have to associate first, or other wise not hear all technology's noise, >> and >> end up temporarilly interfering with someone before you can see if jsut >> the >> single channel does interfer. >> >> MAnufacturers ahve come a long way, but they still need improved MACs >> that >> allow them to offer the Basic Core management features. I'm not sure it >> is >> possible today with standard OEM/OFDM products, because if it was, it >> would >> have been done already. >> >> The closest thing to accomplsihing it, is Canopy. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? >> >> >> >I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the >> > Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and >> at >> > most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used) >> > easily >> > outperforms in wireless distance, throughput and (my favorite) >> capability. >> > >> > I have no experience with Canopy but I can imagine from all the great >> > buffs >> > it gets around here and their well known history in wireless I don't >> doubt >> > it is a good product. >> > >> > Redline is to radios as Sony is to LCDs. Can't be beat in quality... >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. >> > --- Henry Spencer >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >> >> >I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" >> >> >decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could >> >> >support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it >> >> >today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on >> >> >the market: >> >> >> >> I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. >> >> I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I >> >> would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are >> >> that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. >> >> >> >> >Next = Mikrotik >> >> >Next = Trango, Canopy, etc >> >> >> >> Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class >> >> as Trango and Canopy. >> >> >> >> >So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last >> >> >2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? >> >> >> >> I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened >> >> to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good >> >> example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is >> >> expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", >> >> but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are >> >> working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is >> >> available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. >> >> They service companies that are better funded, which typically means >> >> larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. >> >> >> >> I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't >> >> intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole >> >> would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is >> >> better" mindframe. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ******************************************************************** >> >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >> >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> >> ******************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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