>From 1 to 1000 subs we were deploying Lucent 900mhz Wavelan cards in PC's and running LMR-400 to an external antenna (1997). We then switched to 2.4ghz Lucent using 3Com bridges with PCMCIA cards and still running LMR-400. We were charging $500 for install. We had cable and DSL for competition. We were charging $50/month for a 1Mbps service (which was really more like 500kbps service).

Today, we are charging $99 installation and $29.95 for 512k, $39.95 for 1Mbps, $49.95 for 1.5Mbps, etc. We now have cable, DSL, 2.5ghz licensed WiMax and two other Canopy WISP's in our area. We are still doing 100+ installs per month.

Travis
Microserv

Josh Luthman wrote:
But between 1 and 1000 subs what were your bandwidth packages and what was
your competition?

Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
 Hey buddy.... I'm out here in NoWhere, Idaho and we have over 5,000
wireless subs and I am proud to say NO CANOPY radios. :)

And, just to give you an idea that we do know what we are doing, we have
three OC3's worth of bandwidth (465Mbps) coming into our NOC. We offer
wireless, DSL, fiber, T1 and dial-up.

Travis
Microserv


3-dB Networks wrote:

I guess we need to define large... :-)

You also need to look at the region I know best... for WISP's over say 1000
customers in the State of Colorado... only one WISP operational in say 2006
on had over 1000 customers and was using anything but Canopy... and now they
are swapping out their Trango gear anyways.

I think large for a WISP has to be at the 5000 sub or higher mark.  I for
one can only think of three or four companies at that mark... and they all
use Canopy...

Since I don't get out to the East coast... I know I can be very very wrong
:-)  I should have put that disclaimer on that statement (so I apologize!)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks



 -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds



 the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason


 Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some large companies may use
Canopy..  But that comment is in no way true.

I can name just as many large companies that deploy, Trango, Alvarion,
StarOS, etc.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message -----
From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds




 Steve,

I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar with our company


 we


 are a spin off of Mesa Networks) Todd Bergstrom attributes part of our
success by leasing equipment early on as a WISP.  He wrote an article


 here


 about leasing that might change your mind.  http://tinyurl.com/5uowsx

Basically look at it this way.  If you lease your equipment, it allows


 you


 to build that next tower site, get customers installed, increase your
revenue.  You end up paying more in the long run because of the


 interest,


 but you may also save money by being able to buy in bulk from your


 vendor


 instead of individual or 5 packs.  Todd probably explains it better in


 the


 article.

Other than this, I've been racking my brains on things that another WISP
can
replicate to expand... and the only thing I can think of is equipment
related... I know we couldn't have built our network using an


 802.11a/b/g


 solution (although our networks first couple hundred customers were on
KarlNet) because you hit an oversubscription on the AP really fast.  We
had
many many AP's with 50+ customers... we would not have been successful
without timing and the ability to place so many customers on an AP.  Our
WISP almost failed back in 2002 (before I joined Mesa) because we hit


 the


 limitations of the KarlNet system.  My experiences with a Tranzeo


 network


 in
2006/2007 lead me to believe things really haven't changed that much


 (its


 all still 802.11 and its hard to make significant improvements to it).


 So


 while this is probably along the lines of rip out your network and start
over... the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason.

My 2 cents, take them for what they are worth (which 2 cents isn't worth
much anymore)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks



 -----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that
the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install.  You
still have to pay for it.  It may make cash flow easier but the ROI
takes longer due to interest rates and labor dealing with lease Co.
Can you help me with that one.



Steve



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds



Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the


 install


 fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on
every new customer.

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

You are doing it.  Just keep bootstrapping.  Once you get 1000
subscribers
things will be a bit better.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org><mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds




I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth
different
WISP offer.  I want to discuss that as well as the recommended
equipment
that is so often discussed on this list.



I am a startup.  Little to no startup capital.  I had to pinch
each
penny to get as much as possible out of it.  My goal was to
service the
clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other
that
what Verizon holds hostage.  So now after 2 years I have 8
towers with
320 clients.



The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a
$59.99 Pro
Level 1M x 512k.  You guys are talking about 10Mb.  If I turn
off the
speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M
on any
of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS
Full
Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost
of with
another WISP my size.  The investment I would have to make to
achieve
10MB to each client is financially Impossible.



Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes.
What do
you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future.



Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have
started you
service".  I was providing a solution.  So this is what I have
and I
know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in
the same
boat.



So BIG GUYS think back.  How do I grow into new BROADBAND
definition
without rebuilding my network from the ground up.  What is
everyone
charging and what does the client get for that price.  Financing
is not
readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI.
No
Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge
Verizon.



Steve Barnes

RC-WiFi.com




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