Kinda high If you are lucky and you have access to fiber consider this Cogent, if you buy a GigE port and commit to 200 megs, you can have it for $5.00 per meg, or minimum of $1,000.00 per month and that comes with a whopping 200 megs, if you need to exceed 200 megs, it's just $5.00 per meg.
If you get to $4,000 per month usage, then the price drops to $4.00 per meg. George Blair Davis wrote: > Some simple numbers... > > $1700/month for 10Mbits. Much better than the $600 per 1.54Mbit I was > paying out here. > > 1Mbit per Netflix or IPTV user. > > $170 cost of bandwidth per user. > > Users out here are not going to pay that. Period. > > The problem, out in the rural areas at least, is not delivering the > bandwidth, it is getting it at a reasonable cost. > > These apps use an order of magnitude more bandwidth than the standard > web browsing and email apps we are used to. But the users don't and > won't understand that. > > If you went to buy a new TV and it used an order of magnitude more power > to run it, your electric bill would soon show you the error of your ways. > > The only real solution to this problem is to move to per bit pricing. > That way, users will see the cost of what they are doing and adjust > their usage to what they are willing to pay for. > > Netflix, IPTV and other apps like them simply shift the their cost of > doing business to us. Unless we either refuse to support these apps, or > begin billing our users for them, it will kill us. > > The cable and dsl providers are starting to figure this out. > > Blair > > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>> world? >>> >> >> Depends who you are referring by stating "wireless world". >> >> The WISP providers are surely NOT "happy" with that. They are just >> realistic about what they have available. >> And they are creative enough to understand that there are still markets >> willing to deal with that, because WISPs have other things to offer of equal >> or greater value, to creat a WISP market. >> >> I'm also not sure the public is "happy" with that. I haven't heard one >> public advocate at Broadband public meetings advocating "Please give money >> to wireless companies so we can have slower service". Wireless will be a >> part of Stimulus grants because... We can argue we'll get you service >> sooner, and we'll stretch the dollar further to serve more areas and people, >> so less people get left without being served, and more people get better >> service than they currently have. In the long run, with Wireless, consumers >> will have to compromise for less, in exchange for the instant gratification >> that can be gained today. >> >> WISPs deal with it because comparatively they are either broke, lazy, or >> impatient, in order to meet demand. Or I should say, don't want to end up >> broke. >> I'm not meaning to be derogatory in using those terms. What I mean is... >> >> Sure we'd all like to lay fiber. We just don't want to wait 20 years for an >> ROI (impatient :-). We don't have millions and billions of Finance capabilty >> upfront (broke :-). >> We don't want to spend years trying to get permits and negotiating easements >> with entities that care less about advancing our cause quickly (lazy :-). >> The truth is Monopolies are willing to do all these things. But they also >> grudgingly backout of their committments and delay as long as possible, >> because honestly they don't want to do it either, and are even more lazy, >> and clearly have all the time in the world, without competition forcing them >> to work harder. >> >> The truth is, Wireless providers DO NEED faster equipment. And the Truth >> is, we really aren't "lazy". (I was just kidding before :-) >> >> So.... WiMax vendors, Make us faster equipment!!! That we can Afford >> today!!! >> >> There is a lot of grant money comming up this year. Here is your chance for >> volume orders, from the WISP market. Give us a reason to stay wireless >> providers and not to become a fiber provider. Backhaul transport providers >> are doing their part. But I think last mile manufacturers still have to do a >> better job. But more importantly give grant Decission makers a reason to >> favor wireless. Give them speeds that public advocates will be excited >> about. And give us price points that will let us do microcells to accomplish >> top penetration. Wimax isn;t competing against wifi anymore, they are >> competing against fiber. I admit, Its a tall order to fill. But I think >> clever innovators should be able to fill it. >> >> $7 billion is not a lot to come anywhere close to helping "All" Americans >> get next generation broadband. But $7 billion is a hech of a lot of money >> to inject into an ISP manufacturer industry. Lets just say $1 billion of it >> would go to Wireless infrastructure. Thats a lot of gear. Lets start >> getting creative with those volume order low price offers? How low can you >> go to get a peice of that $billion? >> >> Manufacturers, Let us know! The industry is writing their grant proposals >> now. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >> >> >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This >>> thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis >>> together to see which service options I'd want to be pushing on the >>> market. >>> >>> What I did was review Bell Canada's service offer - why, because they >>> offer Wireless, DSL & Fiber based Internet services in competition to >>> Rogers Cable and Cogeco Cable (ON) and Videotron and Cogeco Cable(Qc) >>> along with a variety of WISPs, satellite providers, in other words the >>> entire spectrum of competition. As many of you may know Canada ranks in >>> the top 10 worldwide for broadband penetration according to the latest >>> OECD rankings with 23.8% BB penetration, the United States ranked 15th >>> with 19.6% penetration. >>> >>> I opted not to include their wireless offer in the model. For the >>> record their 512/512 Portable Internet service using an AC powered >>> indoor CPE as the terminal device selling for $17.95/month; they offer a >>> 2000/800 Rural service with either indoor or outdoor CPE beginning at >>> $40/month; and a 3000/1000 Portable using the same indoor CPE as in the >>> first offer. All CPE are sold at $99 to the customer. >>> >>> What I've done is outline the UL/DL speeds, cost per month, and a >>> sliding scale of oversubscription rates (actual rate used by Bell seems >>> to be between 20 and 40 based upon historical data depending on take-up >>> rate in an area. This then generates a kbps / subscriber figure which >>> was then divided into the capacity per sector (I'm using the average >>> real world sector capacity from our worldwide base of 7 MHz RedMAX >>> customers as reported by our Redline Management Suite application that >>> we use to monitor production networks under a professional services >>> agreement). I then divided this by the avg kbps/client to calculate the >>> maximum subscribers per sector. I then took the peak subs multiplied by >>> monthly ARPU to calculate the monthly and annual peak revenue stream per >>> sector. The required CAPEX per sector was calculated based upon a >>> sector controller, shared common costs (GPS, UPS, tower climb, and other >>> site acquisition costs - WW avg.) and the cost of the number of CPE >>> required by the peak subscriber calculation. The ROI in months is the >>> CAPEX divided by the monthly ARPU. >>> >>> I've highlighted the sweet spot avg 18 month ROI lines in each model >>> that indicates with between 19 and 229 subscribers, depending upon the >>> SLA you'd be able to achieve and ROI acceptable to almost any financier >>> using WiMAX. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> NOTE: Modeled upon Bell Canada's Internet Service offer when using a >>> WiMAX BTS to deliver the stated SLAs (all are best effort, residential >>> services on a 7 MHz channel with mix of LOS and NLOS customers): >>> >>> Monthly Max Subs per >>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>> sector (months) >>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 40 25 >>> 640 $ 11,488.00 $ 137,856.00 $ >>> 300,750 26.17949 >>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 40 70 >>> 229 $ 6,388.57 $ 76,662.86 $ >>> 115,607 18.09593 >>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 40 200 >>> 80 $ 3,036.00 $ 36,432.00 $ >>> 48,750 16.05731 >>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 40 275 >>> 58 $ 2,498.91 $ 29,986.91 $ >>> 38,932 15.57953 >>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 40 425 >>> 38 $ 2,746.35 $ 32,956.24 $ >>> 29,691 10.81113 >>> >>> >>> Monthly Max Subs per >>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>> sector (months) >>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 30 33 >>> 480 $ 8,616.00 $ 103,392.00 $ >>> 228,750 26.54944 >>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 30 93 >>> 171 $ 4,791.43 $ 57,497.14 $ >>> 89,893 18.76118 >>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 30 267 >>> 60 $ 2,277.00 $ 27,324.00 $ >>> 39,750 17.45718 >>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 30 367 >>> 44 $ 1,874.18 $ 22,490.18 $ >>> 32,386 17.28027 >>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 30 567 >>> 28 $ 2,059.76 $ 24,717.18 $ >>> 25,456 12.35864 >>> >>> >>> Monthly Max Subs per >>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>> sector (months) >>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 20 50 >>> 320 $ 5,744.00 $ 68,928.00 $ >>> 156,750 27.28935 >>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 20 140 >>> 114 $ 3,194.29 $ 38,331.43 $ >>> 64,179 20.09168 >>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 20 400 >>> 40 $ 1,518.00 $ 18,216.00 $ >>> 30,750 20.25692 >>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 20 550 >>> 29 $ 1,249.45 $ 14,993.45 $ >>> 25,841 20.68175 >>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 20 850 >>> 19 $ 1,373.18 $ 16,478.12 $ >>> 21,221 15.45365 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:58 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>> >>> 2 megs is yesterday's news. >>> >>> U-Verse is 18/1.5 >>> FiOS is 50/20 >>> Charter has 60/5 >>> Comcast has 50/10 >>> >>> 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than >>> that. >>> >>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>> world? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>> >>> >>>> We have customers worldwide who operate sectors typically with >>>> >>> hundreds >>> >>>> of residential clients with 2 Mbps downlink / 256 or 512 kbps uplink >>>> >>> and >>> >>>> some with who run entry level service (by NA standards) of 384 kbps >>>> downlink / 128 kbps uplink that have an average of 250 clients per >>>> sector with 6 sectors per BTS in an urban market. >>>> >>>> The WiMAX MAC is much more sophisticated than other MACs used in >>>> wireless networking. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>> On >>> >>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>> >>>> More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a >>>> WiMAX >>>> AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>> >>>> >>>>> It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base >>>>> station, >>>>> that only supports 30 subscribers. >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>> I'm certainly interested in ptmp. >>>>> >>>>> The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... >>>>>> >>>>>> Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to >>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care leon >>>>>> >>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm looking into this too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector >>>>>>> >>> install >>> >>>>>>> at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even >>>>>>> >>> see >>> >>>>>>> that tower.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone have any better ideas? >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <motor...@wispa.org>; "WISPA >>>>>>> >>>> General >>>> >>>>>> List" >>>>>> >>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fellow operators: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any updates on experiences with: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, >>>>>>>> Airspan ??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gino A. 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