Have you compared them Travis? I would appreciate real world opinion. Reason is, our upstream on our last contract had us riding Level3 and when we renegotiated, we found ourselves riding cogent.
I'm not so sure Level3 is much better. I can recall trace routing stuff and finding myself hoping from here in Oregon to Chicago and then to San Jose. I was thinking Portland to San Jose has to be easy to do, but thats not the route they take. I realize things change, and I have no problem pay 12.00 for good bandwidth, I'm paying more now under my current contract. Guess what I would like to know is where to find the ratings of who is the best, I used to hear Sprint was quality, but that was just a few opinions. Travis Johnson wrote: > I have a quote from Level3 for $12.50 per meg.... and it's 10x the > bandwidth that Cogent is... ;) > > Travis > Microserv > > > George Rogato wrote: >> Kinda high >> If you are lucky and you have access to fiber consider this >> >> Cogent, if you buy a GigE port and commit to 200 megs, you can have it >> for $5.00 per meg, or minimum of $1,000.00 per month and that comes with >> a whopping 200 megs, if you need to exceed 200 megs, it's just $5.00 per >> meg. >> >> If you get to $4,000 per month usage, then the price drops to $4.00 per meg. >> >> George >> >> >> Blair Davis wrote: >> >>> Some simple numbers... >>> >>> $1700/month for 10Mbits. Much better than the $600 per 1.54Mbit I was >>> paying out here. >>> >>> 1Mbit per Netflix or IPTV user. >>> >>> $170 cost of bandwidth per user. >>> >>> Users out here are not going to pay that. Period. >>> >>> The problem, out in the rural areas at least, is not delivering the >>> bandwidth, it is getting it at a reasonable cost. >>> >>> These apps use an order of magnitude more bandwidth than the standard >>> web browsing and email apps we are used to. But the users don't and >>> won't understand that. >>> >>> If you went to buy a new TV and it used an order of magnitude more power >>> to run it, your electric bill would soon show you the error of your ways. >>> >>> The only real solution to this problem is to move to per bit pricing. >>> That way, users will see the cost of what they are doing and adjust >>> their usage to what they are willing to pay for. >>> >>> Netflix, IPTV and other apps like them simply shift the their cost of >>> doing business to us. Unless we either refuse to support these apps, or >>> begin billing our users for them, it will kill us. >>> >>> The cable and dsl providers are starting to figure this out. >>> >>> Blair >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> >>>>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>>>> world? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Depends who you are referring by stating "wireless world". >>>> >>>> The WISP providers are surely NOT "happy" with that. They are just >>>> realistic about what they have available. >>>> And they are creative enough to understand that there are still markets >>>> willing to deal with that, because WISPs have other things to offer of >>>> equal >>>> or greater value, to creat a WISP market. >>>> >>>> I'm also not sure the public is "happy" with that. I haven't heard one >>>> public advocate at Broadband public meetings advocating "Please give money >>>> to wireless companies so we can have slower service". Wireless will be a >>>> part of Stimulus grants because... We can argue we'll get you service >>>> sooner, and we'll stretch the dollar further to serve more areas and >>>> people, >>>> so less people get left without being served, and more people get better >>>> service than they currently have. In the long run, with Wireless, >>>> consumers >>>> will have to compromise for less, in exchange for the instant >>>> gratification >>>> that can be gained today. >>>> >>>> WISPs deal with it because comparatively they are either broke, lazy, or >>>> impatient, in order to meet demand. Or I should say, don't want to end up >>>> broke. >>>> I'm not meaning to be derogatory in using those terms. What I mean is... >>>> >>>> Sure we'd all like to lay fiber. We just don't want to wait 20 years for >>>> an >>>> ROI (impatient :-). We don't have millions and billions of Finance >>>> capabilty >>>> upfront (broke :-). >>>> We don't want to spend years trying to get permits and negotiating >>>> easements >>>> with entities that care less about advancing our cause quickly (lazy :-). >>>> The truth is Monopolies are willing to do all these things. But they also >>>> grudgingly backout of their committments and delay as long as possible, >>>> because honestly they don't want to do it either, and are even more lazy, >>>> and clearly have all the time in the world, without competition forcing >>>> them >>>> to work harder. >>>> >>>> The truth is, Wireless providers DO NEED faster equipment. And the Truth >>>> is, we really aren't "lazy". (I was just kidding before :-) >>>> >>>> So.... WiMax vendors, Make us faster equipment!!! That we can Afford >>>> today!!! >>>> >>>> There is a lot of grant money comming up this year. Here is your chance >>>> for >>>> volume orders, from the WISP market. Give us a reason to stay wireless >>>> providers and not to become a fiber provider. Backhaul transport providers >>>> are doing their part. But I think last mile manufacturers still have to do >>>> a >>>> better job. But more importantly give grant Decission makers a reason to >>>> favor wireless. Give them speeds that public advocates will be excited >>>> about. And give us price points that will let us do microcells to >>>> accomplish >>>> top penetration. Wimax isn;t competing against wifi anymore, they are >>>> competing against fiber. I admit, Its a tall order to fill. But I think >>>> clever innovators should be able to fill it. >>>> >>>> $7 billion is not a lot to come anywhere close to helping "All" Americans >>>> get next generation broadband. But $7 billion is a hech of a lot of money >>>> to inject into an ISP manufacturer industry. Lets just say $1 billion of >>>> it >>>> would go to Wireless infrastructure. Thats a lot of gear. Lets start >>>> getting creative with those volume order low price offers? How low can you >>>> go to get a peice of that $billion? >>>> >>>> Manufacturers, Let us know! The industry is writing their grant proposals >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Folks, >>>>> >>>>> I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This >>>>> thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis >>>>> together to see which service options I'd want to be pushing on the >>>>> market. >>>>> >>>>> What I did was review Bell Canada's service offer - why, because they >>>>> offer Wireless, DSL & Fiber based Internet services in competition to >>>>> Rogers Cable and Cogeco Cable (ON) and Videotron and Cogeco Cable(Qc) >>>>> along with a variety of WISPs, satellite providers, in other words the >>>>> entire spectrum of competition. As many of you may know Canada ranks in >>>>> the top 10 worldwide for broadband penetration according to the latest >>>>> OECD rankings with 23.8% BB penetration, the United States ranked 15th >>>>> with 19.6% penetration. >>>>> >>>>> I opted not to include their wireless offer in the model. For the >>>>> record their 512/512 Portable Internet service using an AC powered >>>>> indoor CPE as the terminal device selling for $17.95/month; they offer a >>>>> 2000/800 Rural service with either indoor or outdoor CPE beginning at >>>>> $40/month; and a 3000/1000 Portable using the same indoor CPE as in the >>>>> first offer. All CPE are sold at $99 to the customer. >>>>> >>>>> What I've done is outline the UL/DL speeds, cost per month, and a >>>>> sliding scale of oversubscription rates (actual rate used by Bell seems >>>>> to be between 20 and 40 based upon historical data depending on take-up >>>>> rate in an area. This then generates a kbps / subscriber figure which >>>>> was then divided into the capacity per sector (I'm using the average >>>>> real world sector capacity from our worldwide base of 7 MHz RedMAX >>>>> customers as reported by our Redline Management Suite application that >>>>> we use to monitor production networks under a professional services >>>>> agreement). I then divided this by the avg kbps/client to calculate the >>>>> maximum subscribers per sector. I then took the peak subs multiplied by >>>>> monthly ARPU to calculate the monthly and annual peak revenue stream per >>>>> sector. The required CAPEX per sector was calculated based upon a >>>>> sector controller, shared common costs (GPS, UPS, tower climb, and other >>>>> site acquisition costs - WW avg.) and the cost of the number of CPE >>>>> required by the peak subscriber calculation. The ROI in months is the >>>>> CAPEX divided by the monthly ARPU. >>>>> >>>>> I've highlighted the sweet spot avg 18 month ROI lines in each model >>>>> that indicates with between 19 and 229 subscribers, depending upon the >>>>> SLA you'd be able to achieve and ROI acceptable to almost any financier >>>>> using WiMAX. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NOTE: Modeled upon Bell Canada's Internet Service offer when using a >>>>> WiMAX BTS to deliver the stated SLAs (all are best effort, residential >>>>> services on a 7 MHz channel with mix of LOS and NLOS customers): >>>>> >>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>> sector (months) >>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 40 25 >>>>> 640 $ 11,488.00 $ 137,856.00 $ >>>>> 300,750 26.17949 >>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 40 70 >>>>> 229 $ 6,388.57 $ 76,662.86 $ >>>>> 115,607 18.09593 >>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 40 200 >>>>> 80 $ 3,036.00 $ 36,432.00 $ >>>>> 48,750 16.05731 >>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 40 275 >>>>> 58 $ 2,498.91 $ 29,986.91 $ >>>>> 38,932 15.57953 >>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 40 425 >>>>> 38 $ 2,746.35 $ 32,956.24 $ >>>>> 29,691 10.81113 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>> sector (months) >>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 30 33 >>>>> 480 $ 8,616.00 $ 103,392.00 $ >>>>> 228,750 26.54944 >>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 30 93 >>>>> 171 $ 4,791.43 $ 57,497.14 $ >>>>> 89,893 18.76118 >>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 30 267 >>>>> 60 $ 2,277.00 $ 27,324.00 $ >>>>> 39,750 17.45718 >>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 30 367 >>>>> 44 $ 1,874.18 $ 22,490.18 $ >>>>> 32,386 17.28027 >>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 30 567 >>>>> 28 $ 2,059.76 $ 24,717.18 $ >>>>> 25,456 12.35864 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Monthly Max Subs per >>>>> Sector Monthly ARPU / Annual ARPU / Required CAPEX / ROI >>>>> ARPU kbps Down kbps Up Total kbps Oversubscription >>>>> kbps Required/Sub 16000 loaded sector loaded sector loaded >>>>> sector (months) >>>>> $ 17.95 Essential 500 500 1000 20 50 >>>>> 320 $ 5,744.00 $ 68,928.00 $ >>>>> 156,750 27.28935 >>>>> $ 27.95 Essential+ 2000 800 2800 20 140 >>>>> 114 $ 3,194.29 $ 38,331.43 $ >>>>> 64,179 20.09168 >>>>> $ 37.95 Performance 7000 1000 8000 20 400 >>>>> 40 $ 1,518.00 $ 18,216.00 $ >>>>> 30,750 20.25692 >>>>> $ 42.95 MAX10 10000 1000 11000 20 550 >>>>> 29 $ 1,249.45 $ 14,993.45 $ >>>>> 25,841 20.68175 >>>>> $ 72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 20 850 >>>>> 19 $ 1,373.18 $ 16,478.12 $ >>>>> 21,221 15.45365 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:58 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>> 2 megs is yesterday's news. >>>>> >>>>> U-Verse is 18/1.5 >>>>> FiOS is 50/20 >>>>> Charter has 60/5 >>>>> Comcast has 50/10 >>>>> >>>>> 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>>>> world? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We have customers worldwide who operate sectors typically with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> hundreds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> of residential clients with 2 Mbps downlink / 256 or 512 kbps uplink >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> some with who run entry level service (by NA standards) of 384 kbps >>>>>> downlink / 128 kbps uplink that have an average of 250 clients per >>>>>> sector with 6 sectors per BTS in an urban market. >>>>>> >>>>>> The WiMAX MAC is much more sophisticated than other MACs used in >>>>>> wireless networking. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>> >>>>>> More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a >>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>> AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM >>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base >>>>>>> station, >>>>>>> that only supports 30 subscribers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm certainly interested in ptmp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take care leon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking into this too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> install >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> that tower.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone have any better ideas? >>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <motor...@wispa.org>; "WISPA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> General >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> List" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fellow operators: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any updates on experiences with: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, >>>>>>>>>> Airspan ??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gino A. 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