Same here, installation is key! We have 532s up for at least 4 years on one tower. Its 300 foot from a AM 1000watt hotstick.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of the plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On one tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits. Shielded connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for hmmmm 5 years. Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but nothing like Florida. / Eje -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good? On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference. > The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc. > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or >> something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose >> of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's >> grounding? >> >> On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, >> > silver wire inside the cover like that one. >> > >> > If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but >> wasting >> > money on cable... :( >> > >> > Travis >> > >> > >> > Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> >> >> *Face plant* >> >> >> >> Never heard of those before... >> >> >> >> I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It >> doesn't >> >> drain water, but is conductive - is this right? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> >> 1100 Wayne St >> >> Suite 1337 >> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> >> improbable, must be the truth." >> >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker >> >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. >> >>> Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a >> >>> 100' >> >>> long >> >>> lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. >> >>> >> >>> Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a >> good >> >>> grounded POE injector == no problems for many years >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman < >> [email protected] >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? >> >>>> >> >>>> Josh Luthman >> >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >> >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> >>>> 1100 Wayne St >> >>>> Suite 1337 >> >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >> >>>> >> >>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> >>>> improbable, must be the truth." >> >>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker <[email protected] >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> after >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> we crimp it on. >> >>>>> Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman < >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a >> few >> >>>>>> weeks ago. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. >> >>>>>>> We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>> the >> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without >> >>>>>>> shielded >> >>>>>>> cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL >> >>>>>>> installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> PacWireless >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> POE >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a >> >>>>>>> lightning >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> related >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> service call. >> >>>>>>> We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> truck >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> lightning, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were >> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>> replaced, >> >>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> necessarily, by a newer board. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >> >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >> >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >> >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >> >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> however >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >> >>>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess < >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> vendor? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> And/or like I suggested overclocked. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ] >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM >> >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>> the >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> box >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> lately? We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> only >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> on >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>> got >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> to >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> an >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> interface we could use. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> and >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> few >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> hours. We updated the firmware but with no positive result. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> the >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> costly >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> and >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wearing on my staff. We're going back right now to reinstall >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>> the >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> old >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 133 board. Any others having these problems? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Forbes Mercy >> >>>>>>>>> President - Washington Broadband, Inc. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -------- >> >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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