Up isn't the issue, have to have a good enough side angle to see one of the satellites. If you're in a "holler" even the sun doesn't shine. Shade or dark 23.5 hours a day. Happens to me in some areas of Tennessee too. Steep mountains or hills on both sides and no where to look but straight up. I understand that Sirius has some ground based repeaters in some well populated areas that have this "canyon" issue. Speaking of which, bad reception in so called "Urban Canyons" as well, large cities with tall buildings. I believe is was the New York city area that I heard used a fair amount of repeaters.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West <[email protected]> wrote: > I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of > Kentucky! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc..... >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: [email protected] >>> > > [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, [email protected] < >>> > > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> inline >>> > >> >>> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>> > >>> the >>> least >>> > >>> expensive MPoP? >>> > >> 1 >>> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >>> > >> a >>> > > laptop. >>> > >> They >>> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >>> > >> it, >>> they >>> > >> have >>> > >> ZERO access to it) >>> > >> >>> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >>> > >> some >>> > >> user/pass) is >>> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >>> > >> >>> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >>> > devalues >>> > >> my >>> > >>> business to a prospective buyer. >>> > >> Why? >>> > >> >>> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem >>> > >>> for >>> > > tech >>> > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows >>> > >>> what >>> > > each >>> > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >>> > >> Documentation! >>> > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a >>> place >>> > >> where I >>> > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still >>> > >> in >>> the >>> > > one >>> > >> man >>> > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every >>> > >> application, >>> > reams >>> > >> of >>> > >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I >>> > >> am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network >>> > >> resource map >>> > setup. >>> > >> >>> > >>> I think this is good discussion... >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Depends on a few factors... >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? >>> > >> Yes! =) >>> > >> >>> > >> OK OK, no bank robberies. >>> > >> >>> > >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power >>> > >>> outage & >>> no >>> > >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) >>> > >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access >>> > >> (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted >>> > >> UPS's as it >>> makes >>> > >> sense >>> > >> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with >> out. >>> In >>> > >> years >>> > >> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us >>> > >> know >>> there >>> > >> was a >>> > >> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the >>> battery >>> > > was >>> > >> bad >>> > >> till after the power failed. >>> > >> >>> > >>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to >>> > >> traditional >>> > >>> "inside-the-box" installations? >>> > >> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I >>> > >> have >>> put >>> > > in >>> > >> time >>> > >> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I >>> > >> can >>> not >>> > >> demand >>> > >> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I >>> > >> expect >>> > that >>> > >> to >>> > >> change some day. >>> > >> >>> > >> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 >>> > >> port >>> > > $2000, >>> > >> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof >>> > >> access) >>> > is >>> > >> to far >>> > >> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn >>> > >> $5/mo or >>> so >>> > > in >>> > >> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. >>> > >> If I >>> > > were >>> > >> to >>> > >> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. >>> > >> Yes, >>> I >>> > am >>> > >> certifiable. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>> Mark Nash >>> > >>> UnwiredWest >>> > >>> 78 Centennial Loop >>> > >>> Suite E >>> > >>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>> > >>> 541-998-5555 >>> > >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> > >>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>> From: "RickG" <[email protected]> >>> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and >>> bullets >>> > >>>> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). >>> > >>>> -RickG >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy >>> > >>>> <[email protected]> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >>>>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to >>> > redistribute >>> > >>>>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a >>> > >>>>> full blown AP/BH setup. 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