Well then Ohio sucks. Either way there are countless areas where I have 0 bars and even more places where I have bars but can't get online.
On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch <[email protected]> wrote: > Not really. That's the point of mentioning the train trip up the > Mississippi and over to Chicago. That trip is over 1000 miles and > there are very long stretches with not much there. > > Chuck > > On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Well you're comparing cities to a few miles outside cities. I'd be >> very disappointed if it didn't work downtown or something. >> >> On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I don't use tethering since I haven't otherwise felt the need to >>> jailbreak my phone. On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased >>> with AT&T's network for Internet access. I took a train from New >>> Orleans (still doing reconstruction trips to the Katrina damaged >>> areas) to Minneapolis (via Chicago), and then on to Syracuse, NY last >>> year and never had a problem using my "dongle" to get access on my >>> laptop (I wasn't using my iPhone for email back then, though I do >>> now). The coverage was surprisingly solid. Here in upstate NY I have >>> at least Edge coverage wherever I need it. >>> >>> I know that's not true in the most rural areas in our territory, but >>> all the typical cities, towns, and villages have usable access. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... >>>> >>>> On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has >>>>> worked over >>>>> EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone >>>>> that >>>>> Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was >>>>> just >>>>> install USB drivers). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>> >>>>>> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; >>>>>> Ericsson >>>>>> f3507g) >>>>>> and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >>>>>> places just >>>>>> don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but >>>>>> never >>>>>> get >>>>>> pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was >>>>>> down, >>>>>> but >>>>>> I got online and used my own DNS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell >>>>>> phone for >>>>>> data, tethered or not). >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>>> however >>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a >>>>>>> way to >>>>>>> blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>> [email protected]] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? >>>>>>> Turn >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>>>>>> don't work? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>>>> however >>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >>>>>>>> much... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert West wrote: >>>>>>>>> I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>> online >>>>>>>>> so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me >>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>>>> [email protected]] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors >>>>>>>>> (even if >>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>> another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>>>>>>>> resident is >>>>>>>> gone. >>>>>>>>> Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>>>>>>>> penetrates >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> wall and the POE. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, [email protected] < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> inline >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your >>>>>>>>>>> business. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>> expensive MPoP? >>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> laptop. >>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I >>>>>>>>>> manage it, >>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> ZERO access to it) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> user/pass) is >>>>>>>>>> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small >>>>>>>>>>> MPoPs >>>>>>>> devalues >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> business to a prospective buyer. >>>>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a >>>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> tech >>>>>>>>>>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone >>>>>>>>>>> knows >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>>>>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >>>>>>>>>> Documentation! >>>>>>>>>> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>> place >>>>>>>>>> where I >>>>>>>>>> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am >>>>>>>>>> still in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> man >>>>>>>>>> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every >>>>>>>>>> application, >>>>>>>> reams >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one >>>>>>>>>> thing I am >>>>>>>>>> missing >>>>>>>>>> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network >>>>>>>>>> resource map >>>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think this is good discussion... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Depends on a few factors... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? >>>>>>>>>> Yes! =) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK OK, no bank robberies. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power >>>>>>>>>>> outage & >>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) >>>>>>>>>> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access >>>>>>>>>> (roof) >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's >>>>>>>>>> as it >>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>> sense >>>>>>>>>> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is >>>>>>>>>> with out. >>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>>>> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>>>> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> battery >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> bad >>>>>>>>>> till after the power failed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> traditional >>>>>>>>>>> "inside-the-box" installations? >>>>>>>>>> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what >>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>> put >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now >>>>>>>>>> I can >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> demand >>>>>>>>>> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I >>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> change some day. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. >>>>>>>>>> DS3 port >>>>>>>>> $2000, >>>>>>>>>> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof >>>>>>>>>> access) >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> to far >>>>>>>>>> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn >>>>>>>>>> $5/mo >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund >>>>>>>>>> itself. If >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> Yes, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>> certifiable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mark Nash >>>>>>>>>>> UnwiredWest >>>>>>>>>>> 78 Centennial Loop >>>>>>>>>>> Suite E >>>>>>>>>>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>>>>>>>>>> 541-998-5555 >>>>>>>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "RickG" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> bullets >>>>>>>>>>>> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). >>>>>>>>>>>> -RickG >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to >>>>>>>> redistribute >>>>>>>>>>>>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting >>>>>>>>>>>>> up a >>>>>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>>>>> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BH >>>>>>>>>>>>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>> using a >>>>>>>>>>>>> PS2 >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to >>>>>>> redistribute. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>> connect >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable or >>>>>>>>>> ridiculous >>>>>>>>>>>>> solution? 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