Not really. That's the point of mentioning the train trip up the Mississippi and over to Chicago. That trip is over 1000 miles and there are very long stretches with not much there.
Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Well you're comparing cities to a few miles outside cities. I'd be > very disappointed if it didn't work downtown or something. > > On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> wrote: >> I don't use tethering since I haven't otherwise felt the need to >> jailbreak my phone. On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased >> with AT&T's network for Internet access. I took a train from New >> Orleans (still doing reconstruction trips to the Katrina damaged >> areas) to Minneapolis (via Chicago), and then on to Syracuse, NY last >> year and never had a problem using my "dongle" to get access on my >> laptop (I wasn't using my iPhone for email back then, though I do >> now). The coverage was surprisingly solid. Here in upstate NY I have >> at least Edge coverage wherever I need it. >> >> I know that's not true in the most rural areas in our territory, but >> all the typical cities, towns, and villages have usable access. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... >>> >>> On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has >>>> worked over >>>> EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone >>>> that >>>> Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was >>>> just >>>> install USB drivers). >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>> >>>>> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; >>>>> Ericsson >>>>> f3507g) >>>>> and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >>>>> places just >>>>> don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but >>>>> never >>>>> get >>>>> pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was >>>>> down, >>>>> but >>>>> I got online and used my own DNS. >>>>> >>>>> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell >>>>> phone for >>>>> data, tethered or not). >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>> however >>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a >>>>>> way to >>>>>> blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>>> >>>>>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? >>>>>> Turn >>>>>> into >>>>>> a >>>>>> brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>>>>> don't work? >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>>> however >>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>>>>> <josh.che...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >>>>>>> much... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert West wrote: >>>>>>>> I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>>>>>>> install >>>>>>> online >>>>>>>> so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me >>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors >>>>>>>> (even if >>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>> another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>>>>>>> resident is >>>>>>> gone. >>>>>>>> Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>>>>>>> penetrates >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wall and the POE. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>>>>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>>>>>>> jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> inline >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark Nash wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your >>>>>>>>>> business. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> expensive MPoP? >>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>> laptop. >>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I >>>>>>>>> manage it, >>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> ZERO access to it) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> user/pass) is >>>>>>>>> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small >>>>>>>>>> MPoPs >>>>>>> devalues >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> business to a prospective buyer. >>>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a >>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> tech >>>>>>>>>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone >>>>>>>>>> knows >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>>>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >>>>>>>>> Documentation! >>>>>>>>> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>> place >>>>>>>>> where I >>>>>>>>> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am >>>>>>>>> still in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> man >>>>>>>>> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every >>>>>>>>> application, >>>>>>> reams >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one >>>>>>>>> thing I am >>>>>>>>> missing >>>>>>>>> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network >>>>>>>>> resource map >>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think this is good discussion... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Depends on a few factors... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? >>>>>>>>> Yes! =) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK OK, no bank robberies. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power >>>>>>>>>> outage & >>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) >>>>>>>>> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access >>>>>>>>> (roof) >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's >>>>>>>>> as it >>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>> sense >>>>>>>>> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is >>>>>>>>> with out. >>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>>> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>>> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> battery >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> bad >>>>>>>>> till after the power failed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> traditional >>>>>>>>>> "inside-the-box" installations? >>>>>>>>> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what >>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>> put >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now >>>>>>>>> I can >>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> demand >>>>>>>>> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I >>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> change some day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. >>>>>>>>> DS3 port >>>>>>>> $2000, >>>>>>>>> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof >>>>>>>>> access) >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> to far >>>>>>>>> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn >>>>>>>>> $5/mo >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>> so >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund >>>>>>>>> itself. If >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> Yes, >>>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>> certifiable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark Nash >>>>>>>>>> UnwiredWest >>>>>>>>>> 78 Centennial Loop >>>>>>>>>> Suite E >>>>>>>>>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>>>>>>>>> 541-998-5555 >>>>>>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>>>>>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>> bullets >>>>>>>>>>> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). >>>>>>>>>>> -RickG >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy <mmce...@accubak.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to >>>>>>> redistribute >>>>>>>>>>>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting >>>>>>>>>>>> up a >>>>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>>>> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use >>>>>>>>>>>> 5.8 >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>> BH >>>>>>>>>>>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> using a >>>>>>>>>>>> PS2 >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to >>>>>> redistribute. >>>>>>>>>>>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>> connect >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a >>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable or >>>>>>>>> ridiculous >>>>>>>>>>>> solution? 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