Very good point Josh, it would be unfortunately to have a pro-consumer
initiative backfire because of a flaky implementation.

I need to think on this some more. It may be enough to start with just to
ignore bandwidth used during the Moonlighting window.

George 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

That would work.  The only thing you'd need to test is the clients you're
using.  It would be up to the client to sense being disconnected and attempt
a (re?)connection.

You can charge them for that but then you have to worry about customers
getting itchy F-U fingers.  The DSL/Cable/alternative guys don't do this to
me!

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:58 PM, George Morris
<ghmor...@candlelight.ca>wrote:

> That's interesting. So in theory we could just script a 'flicker' at the
> APs
> at Midnight, and another 'flicker' at 6am to get the settings to change at
> the client...
>
> Good idea! Thanks Josh.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>
> In PPPOE you should be able to just kill the connection and the client
> should reestablish a moment afterward.  I know it works this way with MT
> PPPOE server/client.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:38 PM, George Morris
> <ghmor...@candlelight.ca>wrote:
>
> > Rick, did you have a self-serve portal where your customers could check
> > ongoing usage?
> >
> > We are implementing IPtrack, same as Marlon. Brandon will build a
> > self-service portal for us.
> >
> > We are also going to implement something called 'Moonlighting', where we
> > don't count bandwidth from Midnight to 6am in an effort to move some
> heavy
> > traffic onto the dead period on our network.
> >
> > Makes tiered pricing easier to swallow...
> >
> > What I would really like to do is allow a speed increase at the same
> time,
> > to give people a taste of our more advanced services.
> >
> > Unfortunately I have no idea how to make that happen in a PPPoE
> environment
> > without forcing people to disconnect and re-login.
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of RickG
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
> >
> > Travis, I was operating on the premise that you said to send them to DSL
> or
> > cable.
> > Even with that, I did not have that experience. We sent the invoices out
> > with a copy of their usage report and it was rarely, if ever questioned.
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
> >
> > >  And deal with the extra phone calls each month from customers that
> claim
> > > they didn't use that much. :(
> > >
> > > Travis
> > > Microserv
> > >
> > > RickG wrote:
> > >
> > > Many of you know this is not that hard. Back in 1997 I had an Allot
box
> > that
> > > gave me the numbers. All I did was pull the report and bill
> accordingly.
> > The
> > > hard part would be integrating it with a billing system so it does it
> > > automatically.  -RickG
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Eric Rogers <ecrog...@precisionds.com>
> > <ecrog...@precisionds.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing
> structure
> > > with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they
> > > get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I
don't
> > > want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
> > > they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
> > > applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month,
when
> > > the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding
> > > the network.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
> > > customers responses?
> > >
> > > What are your tiers?
> > >
> > > Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out
the
> > > letter saying we are doing it and why.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric Rogers
> > >
> > > Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> > >
> > > (317) 831-3000 x200
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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