Rick,
Be-careful when going down this road... this is slippery slopes...
This is the exact argument used by the ILEC's / and Cable Co's to keep
folks like you and me to connect to their networks.
The one attribute of the Internet has been 'no one is going to mess with
the apps running on it'... that is the primary sole attribute of the
Internet that has made it what it is...
There is noting wrong with they way you look at your network, but if
everyone looked at their network in this manner, we all would not be in
business...
Just pointing out that there is a sensible middle ground in this debate,
but be very careful as you start to define terms and conditions.. What
you do for your customers is exactly what the Upstream providers can do
for us who are downstream and their customers..
:)
Regards.. Hope you are doing well and not climbing towers late at night .
Faisal Imtiaz
On 3/29/2011 11:15 PM, RickG wrote:
Fred, I respectfully disagree. First off, applications being run on my
network ARE my business. Many apps can have detrimental effect on it
and therefore I have a right and responsibility to say what can run on
it. Secondly, priority bits simply cost more to provide and tax the
network more than non-priority. Everyone expects their high priority
apps (video/voice) to be first in line without delays and that's
really what all the fuss is about. Meanwhile, we have been focusing on
raw usage but that is only a part of the equation. Just billing for
monthly overages does not consider daily peak usage times. In fact, in
questioning many customers, they would be happy to pay a premium for a
high-priority, low latency connection for certain apps. Heck, I can
even see premiums for usage based on the time of day but that may be
pushing it. This may sound extreme but everyone laughed at me back in
1997 when I bought an Allot box for UBB.
BTW:While economic optimization is good, network optimization is
better. Over the years, I've seen fast networks and slow networks, I'd
pay more any day to be on a fast network.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Fred Goldstein <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
At 3/29/2011 01:20 PM, RickG wrote:
I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to
be a matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file
transfer at .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05
and SD at .03? (Prices are just for arguments sake)
Well, no, there doesn't. Applications are none of the network's
business. That's one reason why DPI is evil.
HOWEVER, I am not opposed to appliation-agnostic billing for
usage, by QoS. It is perfectly reasonable for a network to charge
for usage that imposes a cost. And while the teevee fiends are
sure, just certain, that 300 GB/month imposes precisely zero cost
on the network, I doubt many WISPs would agree. Especially rural
ones who have to pay for backhaul, or who have multi-hop networks.
IP, of course, is one-size-fits-all, with QoS being rare. Hence
caps and overage charges are a way to do cost averaging for the
majority (since people hate billing for usage), while still
hitting the heaviest users. Block pricing (like wireless, having
say 10, 50, and 150 GB/month plans, plus overage) also works. And
if you go beyond plain old IP and do have a QoS-enabled protocol,
then lower-loss or delay-limited (or whatever) traffic should
carry a premium. Regardless of what it's used for. Then the
applications could adapt to the pricing. This leads towards
economic optimization.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman
here in the
US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the
"Jackass 3"
movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers
get rid of
bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
>
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
>
>
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