You guys should have come to the Orlando Meeting..
There was a fellow from Texas, operating a very large WISP (last day
session panel on Netflix) Chuck Hogg can u possible get his presentation
copy for all of us ?
It was the best business case presentation of long term usage trends and
projections for future. No Technical jargon.. just a business case of
what we have done and seen in the past. and how things are changing and
what we can expect in the future...
Having said that.. folks serving Resi are on the leading edge of seeing
the effects of that trend.. folks serving business are very likely to be
on the tail edge of things.
The key point was made.. IS YOUR / OUR Current NETWORK sized to serve
our Customer's needs and demands today ? and for Tomorrow ? What do we
need to have in place, (both from network elements, process , procedure
etc) to be able to change to the demand trend .....
You all have to put on your business hat.. and watch / see this
presentation and then decide what you have to do ?
Granted.. if you are small, you can continue 'shooting from the hip'
style of network ops and expansion.. but if you are medium to large, you
better pay attention and plan / execute accordingly... (not trying to
offend or pick on anyone).
For myself that one presentation alone was an eye opener !.
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet& Telecom
On 3/29/2011 11:53 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
I think alot of what your talking about is going to be market driven.
Right now none of my competition uses caps on their business customers
and neither can I. I use QOS and wimax to try to keep everything fair
but my customers feel like they should be able to use their Internet
in any way they choose.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, RickG <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Fred, I respectfully disagree. First off, applications being run on
my network ARE my business. Many apps can have detrimental effect on
it and therefore I have a right and responsibility to say what can
run on it. Secondly, priority bits simply cost more to provide and
tax the network more than non-priority. Everyone expects their high
priority apps (video/voice) to be first in line without delays and
that's really what all the fuss is about. Meanwhile, we have been
focusing on raw usage but that is only a part of the equation. Just
billing for monthly overages does not consider daily peak usage
times. In fact, in questioning many customers, they would be happy to
pay a premium for a high-priority, low latency connection for certain
apps. Heck, I can even see premiums for usage based on the time of
day but that may be pushing it. This may sound extreme but everyone
laughed at me back in 1997 when I bought an Allot box for UBB.
BTW:While economic optimization is good, network optimization is
better. Over the years, I've seen fast networks and slow networks,
I'd pay more any day to be on a fast network.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Fred Goldstein
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
At 3/29/2011 01:20 PM, RickG wrote:
I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs
to be a matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg,
file transfer at .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be
.05 and SD at .03? (Prices are just for arguments sake)
Well, no, there doesn't. Applications are none of the network's
business. That's one reason why DPI is evil.
HOWEVER, I am not opposed to appliation-agnostic billing for
usage, by QoS. It is perfectly reasonable for a network to
charge for usage that imposes a cost. And while the teevee
fiends are sure, just certain, that 300 GB/month imposes
precisely zero cost on the network, I doubt many WISPs would
agree. Especially rural ones who have to pay for backhaul, or
who have multi-hop networks.
IP, of course, is one-size-fits-all, with QoS being rare. Hence
caps and overage charges are a way to do cost averaging for the
majority (since people hate billing for usage), while still
hitting the heaviest users. Block pricing (like wireless, having
say 10, 50, and 150 GB/month plans, plus overage) also works.
And if you go beyond plain old IP and do have a QoS-enabled
protocol, then lower-loss or delay-limited (or whatever) traffic
should carry a premium. Regardless of what it's used for. Then
the applications could adapt to the pricing. This leads towards
economic optimization.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:
I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman
here in the
US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the
"Jackass 3"
movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers
get rid of
bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
>
<http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars>http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
>
>
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