Part of the info that I'd like to receive is pricing. Based on what I've heard today, there is no reason why we cannot be given an idea of what we'll need to be shelling out. Also a timeline (NOT a release schedule) telling us something like 'we expect a public beta to last x days/weeks/months'.
I believe that I CAN speak for many on the list and say that I don't have unlimited financial resources to cover the costs associated with upgrading. I want to allocate some budget figures in the upcoming months. So giving us a public beta is great, but having it expire either too quickly or without advance warning could possibly force people to skip the beta for fear that they won't be able to purchase the upgrade this month, quarter, etc. Or giving us a beta without providing a price for a full product could scare potential testers away. I also agree with Alex, I'd like to see something showing us what to expect. If there is a private beta, there is the ability to produce screen shots. Steve Smith Skadt Information Solutions Office: (519) 624-4388 GTA: (416) 606-3885 Fax: (519) 624-3353 Cell: (416) 606-3885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.skadt.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Kac Sent: July 30, 2002 5:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? OK - that's great. But again - as I've stated 3 times now - I am not asking for a release date that can be broken. I'm asking on WHY we should wait ANY length of time. Why should I wait even one more minute? THAT is the gist of it. It seems that anybody who can say anything wants to avoid the whole gist of the message - and corners in on that one little thing about release date. Either WiTango 5 has really nothing to offer that's substantial over T2k to make people stay on the Tango platform or people like to read the first sentence of an email and ignore the rest. Yes, I'm frustrated because all I want is some INFO - not release dates. None of the reasons you gave were any good for keeping the INFO quiet. -- Alex Kac, CEO/Developer Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management http://www.pocketinformant.com/ zoomzoom > From: Jason Pamental <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:35:07 -0400 > To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? > > All, > > I don't want this to seem '007' or anything BUT... We got some 'official > news' this morning and it was too late Sydney time to find out how much of > it we can share. I'm hoping to get more word tonight and be able to provide > more to you then. Phil has been keeping the info under a lid mainly for two > reasons: 1) they want to release as stable a product as possible, and that > takes a lot of time and testing, and 2) if he gives a date and issues come > up to delay things, that can be even more frustrating than not announcing at > all. > > Some of the delays have been out of their hands (bugs in operating systems, > etc) and have necessitated hours spent documenting, reporting the bugs and > then working around when the OS vendors don't respond in a timely manner. > > All that aside, the plan is to ask all of you to participate in a more > public beta test starting very soon (now here I can't bee more specific > yet), because as Jon pointed out, the list is full of extremely capable > developers and you will all no doubt have a lot to contribute. > > OK - not exactly 'full disclosure' but by the end of the week there will be > a lot of info and dates that will be shared with all of you. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > On 7/30/02 4:12 PM, "Brad Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Doesn't Phil or the With team have any officials news?? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James MacFarlane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Multiple recipients of list witango-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:40 AM >> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? >> >> >>> Alex, >>> >>> The survival of WiTango will depend on whether it can compete in today's >>> market against products like ColdFusion and .Net >>> >>> I'd really hate to see them release it half-baked because of market >>> pressures. >>> >>> There are a number of competitive technologies in our midst including the >>> recent MX-line from Macromedia, which make integration between ColdFusion >>> and Flash very simple using Web Services. If WiTango fails to address >> issues >>> like these advances before the release the product will not be viable, >> will >>> not be able to compete in the marketplace and you and I will be forced to >>> code in something hideously ugly like ASP. >>> >>> While I too anticipate this release I'd rather have it when it's ready. I >>> agree with your position though -- as developers we need to be able to >> build >>> viable products and to plan our own technological growth path, which can >> be >>> difficult to do when something coming down the pipe *sounds* like it may >>> solve all your problems but is still off on the foggy distance. >>> >>> - James. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Kac >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:13 AM >>> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk >>> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? >>> >>> >>> Especially since it did say on the website that all would be told at >>> MacWorld. Well...its been two weeks. I think we need to know: >>> >>> 1) Relative idea of release - within 30, 60, 90, 120, 360 days >>> 2) Some screenshots showing off new Editor features (this to pacify until >>> beta is out) >>> 3) Some of the feature list >>> >>> I really do think this is getting long in the tooth. >>> >>> -- >>> Alex Kac, CEO/Developer >>> >>> Innovation in Personal and Business Information Management >>> http://www.pocketinformant.com/ >>> >>> zoomzoom >>> >>> >>>> From: Stephen.Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:41:40 -0500 >>>> To: Multiple recipients of list witango-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware? >>>> >>>> Lots of teasing. Lots of talk. But MacWorld is now good and over and >>>> still no announcements. >>>> >>>> Phil, please don't leave us hanging any longer as we're about to bail >> for >>>> other technology. We just can't wait much longer - Christmas is coming >>>> FAST! >>>> >>>> Stephen, http://onlytoys.com >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >>>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body >>> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Jason Pamental, President [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Bathysphere Digital Media Services, Inc. http://bathyspheredms.com > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Tel: 401.490.6830 Fax: 401.490.6831 > ________________________________________ > > > A North American Distributor for Witango (http://www.witango.com) > > Rapid Web Application Development - XML Execution Engine > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body > ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body ________________________________________________________________________ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send a plain text/US ASCII email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe witango-talk in the message body
