It seems With has just updated their site with information regarding the release of the beta. In combination with what we've been hearing from the good folks on this list, it seems the beta will be released this week. If that's the case, you'll be able to evaluate whether witango V5 will meet your needs. Here's an excerpt from their site...
"Private beta testing for v5 is now drawing to a close. We are currently updating the our distributor channel with information they will require for the release of v5. Once the channel is ready, v5 will go to public beta."
Richard
On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 05:36 PM, Alex Kac wrote:
Comments below.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:31:12 -0700
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Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware?
Several of these questions can be answered without violating any secrecies.
As a beta tester of v5, I can also answer with some authority. See below.
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From: Alex Kac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:32:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Witangov5 ?? Vaporware?
1) Am I better off using T2k to develop and deploy using JTransit?
Absolutely not. You will receive much better performance and compatibility
with Witango v5. Jtransit will always have to run on top of a Java layer,
and a virtual machine, which will always be slower than natively compiled
code, which Witango v5 is.
Tango server is not running compiled .taf code. Its a VM just like Java is.
And many JVMs are very optimized. They have many more people to optimize the
code than With does.
2) What does it offer that makes it a T5 release? Is it EXACTLY the same as
Chimera (aka SP2 of T2k)? If it is - then I see no worth in T5. I'll just go
with JTransit or move off to something else entirely.
In my opinion, the biggest change is the threading model. As Phil told me at
the conference, one of the biggest secrets at Pervasive was that the
software was cooperatively threaded. You see, Tango was originally written
for the classic Mac OS, which is a cooperatively threaded operating system.
Yes, I know this. I've been running Tango since 1995. Not only that, I have
spent many hours directly with the engineers of Tango up in Toronto while
working at PVSW. I have even worked with some of the Tango source code. In
fact, at one point I spent a week in the Tango Server source code - I know
how it works.
Witango v5 is completely rewritten using a preemptive threading model. This
makes the server faster, and more reliable. If one user is doing some huge
query on your server, it will not lock every one else out until it is done.
Once again, in my opinion, this is HUGE. I have tested it, and it makes a
tremendous difference. If you remember, pervasive used to state that the
standard server was designed for up to 50 users. And if you benctested T2K
like I have, you would see why. The performance would die at that level due
to the threading.
Yes, I know this. Again, MY point is that this was done 2 years ago. Now
Chimera was worked on - and then stopped for over a year until With bought
Tango.
Also, you know all of the bugs that have been a pain in the ass with T2k,
that have been whined about over and over on this list, many whinings my
own? Well, much attention is being spent at fixing everyone. I have had my
own huge list, and it is almost completely checked off. This goes for the
editor as well. These bugs will be even more worked out when it goes public
beta in a butthair or two. ;-)
3) Does T5 include the java compiler?
I have no information on this, sorry.
The problem with all your answers is that it assumes I'm upgrading from
Tango 2k. Yes, I still run Tango 2k - but none of the .tafs running are
mine.
I'm coming from ASP.NET now as well as a bit of Java and I am very
interested in know how WiTango 5 compares to them. I am really not all that
interested in knowing the above about the server core because frankly, I
would assume that they are there now. If they aren't, then Tango really
isn't even worthy to be called a server now. 3 years ago, Tango 2k was
awesome. Now, its as good as engineering student's project. So WiTango 5
needs to offer all that you list above - without bullet points. Those items
should be assumed. The bullet points that would make it interesting are: web
services support, built in "controls" for data ala the ASP Datagrid, built
in data cacheing, session support across servers, session support in a
database, and access to hardcore languages for real down and dirty work at a
more fundamental level. That would bring it to the level of CFMX, j2ee, and
ASP.NET. And all of those cost less than WiTango 4 does now (well, the j2ee
depends). So that's my viewpoint and that's what I'm looking for.
I will GLADLY go and be on my merry way once I know these things. Frankly, I
expect that I'll be gone before then since at this point from what I have
heard and seen, I don't think ANY of those will be answered positively.
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