Well hey everybody... It would appear Andrew has decided to take his "comments" out of the public view and turn them personal... Please read..
On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a waste of everyone's time and energy. Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful from the fact that you don't like macs. So as one professional to another, please keep your comments constructive at least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh platform is inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear what you have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to this list as your tastes in ice-cream would be. List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] "In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions." ------------------------------------------------ Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all. My comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your facts right before you start sprouting your mouth off... I used that "development platform" as an EXAMPLE of similar discussions had in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now.. To paraphrase yourself Andrew "If you have something of value, then don't bring it to the forum" Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all, and my main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like myself (and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions to learn and to grow as developers... If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely used and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are still learning... Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew? David Fuller Developer magickweb Web: http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and Adams views. If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they must be accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards debating forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our time on what the experts among us may consider to be trivial. Two suggestions; [1] That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a little less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English when replying; thus to help others along the way. [2] When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest that they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back when a conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread watchers may be keen to know the answer too. I will now return to lurking Regards Ian Chamberlain ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and having a ball. www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fuller - magickweb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list Adam... I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the standards group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come and gain guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would appear that this is exactly what the group is for... I've mentioned this in another thread, where people get all uppity about not exactly "web standards content" (I think in that example it was discussing Development Platforms...) Regardless we are all professionals, and we are here to help, to learn and to keep up to date, so if somebody with slightly less experience than you asks for assistance, what's the harm in giving that assistance? It doesn't cost you anything and you do end up with a grateful developer/designer - and that's positive networking - again a very big plus for any business. </endOfRant> Enjoy all :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web: http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards group is meant to be a teacher of css. Great that people on here are wanting to learn. But there are plenty of other places dedicated to these sort of things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list > In playing I've found using the relative positioning working pretty good > for me. Is it just a matter of personal preference what I use then? > > Thanks for the article I really haven't understood negative margins. > > Michael Horowitz > Your Computer Consultant > http://yourcomputerconsultant.com > 561-394-9079 > > > > David Hucklesby wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0400, Michael Horowitz wrote: >> >>> The live page is horowitzfamily.net. I'm just learning positioning and >>> this seemed to >>> work. The issue as mentioned earlier was transparency in my image. >>> >>> however I am just learning to do css without tables and really don't >>> know what I >>> "should" be doing for positioning. Quite honestly in hacking around >>> this worked. I'll >>> be happy to get feedback on better techniques for the future >>> >>> >> >> CSS gives you a lot of options for positioning elements on a page. >> As with all design issues, the "best" choice is usually a compromise, >> depending on what you want to achieve. >> >> My first choice for positioning elements is often to use margins - >> including negative margins on occasion. See this CommunityMX article >> for more: >> >> <http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=b0029> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Cordially, >> David >> -- >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* >> >> >> > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ******************************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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