I spend my development time actually working on client sites... How I spend my time is none of your concern - If your going to start getting all antsy and narcissistic then its showing your not professional...
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis, Matthew Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:55 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list What would be more a productive use of your time David is validating your pages. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes And there is plenty of "We are still moving into our new site... please bear with us..." stuff that still needs to be written. Just a suggestion. On 5/08/2008, at 12:34 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: > Well hey everybody... > > It would appear Andrew has decided to take his "comments" out of the > public > view and turn them personal... Please read.. > > On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: > > > group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards > > > Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a > waste of > everyone's time and energy. > > > Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful > from the > fact that you don't like macs. > > > So as one professional to another, please keep your comments > constructive at > least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh > platform is > inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear > what you > have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to > this list > as your tastes in ice-cream would be. > > > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > > Andrew > > > http://www.andrewmaben.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > "In a well designed user interface, the user should not need > instructions." > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all. > My > comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your > facts right > before you start sprouting your mouth off... > > I used that "development platform" as an EXAMPLE of similar > discussions had > in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now.. > > To paraphrase yourself Andrew "If you have something of value, then > don't > bring it to the forum" > > Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all, > and my > main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like > myself > (and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions > to > learn and to grow as developers... > > If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely > used > and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are > still > learning... > > Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew? > > > David Fuller > Developer > magickweb > Web: http://www.magick.com.au > Tel: 0434 728 267 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ian Chamberlain > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning > was > Extra white line on the top of my list > > I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and > Adams views. > > If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they > must be > accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards > debating > forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our > time on > what the experts among us may consider to be trivial. > > Two suggestions; > > [1] That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a > little > less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English > when > replying; thus to help others along the way. > > [2] When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest > that > they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back > when a > conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread > watchers may be keen to know the answer too. > > I will now return to lurking > > Regards > > Ian Chamberlain > ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and > having a > ball. > www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Fuller - magickweb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:23 PM > Subject: RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my > list > > > Adam... > > I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the > standards > group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come > and gain > guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would > appear that > this is exactly what the group is for... > > I've mentioned this in another thread, where people get all uppity > about not > exactly "web standards content" (I think in that example it was > discussing > Development Platforms...) > > Regardless we are all professionals, and we are here to help, to > learn and > to keep up to date, so if somebody with slightly less experience > than you > asks for assistance, what's the harm in giving that assistance? It > doesn't > cost you anything and you do end up with a grateful developer/ > designer - and > that's positive networking - again a very big plus for any business. > > </endOfRant> > > Enjoy all :) > > David Fuller > Developer > magickweb > Web: http://www.magick.com.au > Tel: 0434 728 267 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Adam Martin > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my > list > > Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards > group is > meant to be a teacher of css. Great that people on here are wanting to > learn. But there are plenty of other places dedicated to these sort of > things. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:16 AM > Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my > list > > >> In playing I've found using the relative positioning working pretty >> good >> for me. Is it just a matter of personal preference what I use then? >> >> Thanks for the article I really haven't understood negative margins. >> >> Michael Horowitz >> Your Computer Consultant >> http://yourcomputerconsultant.com >> 561-394-9079 >> >> >> >> David Hucklesby wrote: >>> On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0400, Michael Horowitz wrote: >>> >>>> The live page is horowitzfamily.net. I'm just learning >>>> positioning and >>>> this seemed to >>>> work. The issue as mentioned earlier was transparency in my image. >>>> >>>> however I am just learning to do css without tables and really >>>> don't >>>> know what I >>>> "should" be doing for positioning. Quite honestly in hacking >>>> around >>>> this worked. I'll >>>> be happy to get feedback on better techniques for the future >>>> >>>> >>> >>> CSS gives you a lot of options for positioning elements on a page. >>> As with all design issues, the "best" choice is usually a >>> compromise, >>> depending on what you want to achieve. >>> >>> My first choice for positioning elements is often to use margins - >>> including negative margins on occasion. See this CommunityMX article >>> for more: >>> >>> <http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=b0029> >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Cordially, >>> David >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> ******************************************************************* >>> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >>> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ******************************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* >> > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1589 - Release Date: > 8/3/2008 > 1:00 PM > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1591 - Release Date: > 8/4/2008 > 7:23 PM > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ******************************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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