I spend my development time actually working on client sites...

How I spend my time is none of your concern - If your going to start getting
all antsy and narcissistic then its showing your not professional...



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lewis, Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:55 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was
Extra white line on the top of my list

What would be more a productive use of your time David is validating  
your pages.
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

And there is plenty of "We are still moving into our new site...  
please bear with us..." stuff that still needs to be written.

Just a suggestion.

On 5/08/2008, at 12:34 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote:

> Well hey everybody...
>
> It would appear Andrew has decided to take his "comments" out of the  
> public
> view and turn them personal... Please read..
>
> On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote:
>
>
> group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards
>
>
> Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a  
> waste of
> everyone's time and energy.
>
>
> Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful  
> from the
> fact that you don't like macs.
>
>
> So as one professional to another, please keep your comments  
> constructive at
> least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh  
> platform is
> inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear  
> what you
> have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to  
> this list
> as your tastes in ice-cream would be.
>
>
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>
> Andrew
>
>
> http://www.andrewmaben.net
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> "In a well designed user interface, the user should not need  
> instructions."
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all.  
> My
> comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your  
> facts right
> before you start sprouting your mouth off...
>
> I used that "development platform" as an EXAMPLE of similar  
> discussions had
> in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now..
>
> To paraphrase yourself Andrew "If you have something of value, then  
> don't
> bring it to the forum"
>
> Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all,  
> and my
> main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like  
> myself
> (and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions  
> to
> learn and to grow as developers...
>
> If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely  
> used
> and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are  
> still
> learning...
>
> Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew?
>
>
> David Fuller
> Developer
> magickweb
> Web:                http://www.magick.com.au
> Tel:                   0434 728 267
> Email:               [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ian Chamberlain
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning  
> was
> Extra white line on the top of my list
>
> I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and  
> Adams views.
>
> If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they  
> must be
> accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards  
> debating
> forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our  
> time on
> what the experts among us may consider to be trivial.
>
> Two suggestions;
>
> [1]    That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a  
> little
> less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English  
> when
> replying;  thus to help others along the way.
>
> [2]    When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest  
> that
> they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back  
> when a
> conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread
> watchers may be keen to know the answer too.
>
> I will now return to lurking
>
> Regards
>
> Ian Chamberlain
> ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and  
> having a
> ball.
> www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Fuller - magickweb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my  
> list
>
>
> Adam...
>
> I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the  
> standards
> group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come  
> and gain
> guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would  
> appear that
> this is exactly what the group is for...
>
> I've mentioned this in another thread, where people get all uppity  
> about not
> exactly "web standards content" (I think in that example it was  
> discussing
> Development Platforms...)
>
> Regardless we are all professionals, and we are here to help, to  
> learn and
> to keep up to date, so if somebody with slightly less experience  
> than you
> asks for assistance, what's the harm in giving that assistance? It  
> doesn't
> cost you anything and you do end up with a grateful developer/ 
> designer - and
> that's positive networking - again a very big plus for any business.
>
> </endOfRant>
>
> Enjoy all :)
>
> David Fuller
> Developer
> magickweb
> Web:                http://www.magick.com.au
> Tel:                   0434 728 267
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Adam Martin
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my  
> list
>
> Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards  
> group is
> meant to be a teacher of css. Great that people on here are wanting to
> learn. But there are plenty of other places dedicated to these sort of
> things.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my  
> list
>
>
>> In playing I've found using the relative positioning working pretty  
>> good
>> for me.  Is it just a matter of personal preference what I use then?
>>
>> Thanks for the article I really haven't understood negative margins.
>>
>> Michael Horowitz
>> Your Computer Consultant
>> http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
>> 561-394-9079
>>
>>
>>
>> David Hucklesby wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0400, Michael Horowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> The live page is horowitzfamily.net.  I'm just learning  
>>>> positioning and
>>>> this seemed to
>>>> work.  The issue as mentioned earlier was transparency in my image.
>>>>
>>>> however I am just learning to do css without tables and really  
>>>> don't
>>>> know what I
>>>> "should" be doing for positioning.  Quite honestly in hacking  
>>>> around
>>>> this worked.  I'll
>>>> be happy to get feedback on better techniques for the future
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> CSS gives you a lot of options for positioning elements on a page.
>>> As with all design issues, the "best" choice is usually a  
>>> compromise,
>>> depending on what you want to achieve.
>>>
>>> My first choice for positioning elements is often to use margins -
>>> including negative margins on occasion. See this CommunityMX article
>>> for more:
>>>
>>>  <http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=b0029>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>> David
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