Well hey everybody...
It would appear Andrew has decided to take his "comments" out of the
public
view and turn them personal... Please read..
On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote:
group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards
Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a
waste of
everyone's time and energy.
Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful
from the
fact that you don't like macs.
So as one professional to another, please keep your comments
constructive at
least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh
platform is
inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear
what you
have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to
this list
as your tastes in ice-cream would be.
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"In a well designed user interface, the user should not need
instructions."
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Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all.
My
comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your
facts right
before you start sprouting your mouth off...
I used that "development platform" as an EXAMPLE of similar
discussions had
in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now..
To paraphrase yourself Andrew "If you have something of value, then
don't
bring it to the forum"
Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all,
and my
main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like
myself
(and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions
to
learn and to grow as developers...
If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely
used
and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are
still
learning...
Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew?
David Fuller
Developer
magickweb
Web: http://www.magick.com.au
Tel: 0434 728 267
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ian Chamberlain
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning
was
Extra white line on the top of my list
I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and
Adams views.
If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they
must be
accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards
debating
forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our
time on
what the experts among us may consider to be trivial.
Two suggestions;
[1] That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a
little
less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English
when
replying; thus to help others along the way.
[2] When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest
that
they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back
when a
conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread
watchers may be keen to know the answer too.
I will now return to lurking
Regards
Ian Chamberlain
ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and
having a
ball.
www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fuller - magickweb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my
list
Adam...
I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the
standards
group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come
and gain
guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would
appear that
this is exactly what the group is for...
I've mentioned this in another thread, where people get all uppity
about not
exactly "web standards content" (I think in that example it was
discussing
Development Platforms...)
Regardless we are all professionals, and we are here to help, to
learn and
to keep up to date, so if somebody with slightly less experience
than you
asks for assistance, what's the harm in giving that assistance? It
doesn't
cost you anything and you do end up with a grateful developer/
designer - and
that's positive networking - again a very big plus for any business.
</endOfRant>
Enjoy all :)
David Fuller
Developer
magickweb
Web: http://www.magick.com.au
Tel: 0434 728 267
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my
list
Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards
group is
meant to be a teacher of css. Great that people on here are wanting to
learn. But there are plenty of other places dedicated to these sort of
things.
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From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my
list
In playing I've found using the relative positioning working pretty
good
for me. Is it just a matter of personal preference what I use then?
Thanks for the article I really haven't understood negative margins.
Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079
David Hucklesby wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0400, Michael Horowitz wrote:
The live page is horowitzfamily.net. I'm just learning
positioning and
this seemed to
work. The issue as mentioned earlier was transparency in my image.
however I am just learning to do css without tables and really
don't
know what I
"should" be doing for positioning. Quite honestly in hacking
around
this worked. I'll
be happy to get feedback on better techniques for the future
CSS gives you a lot of options for positioning elements on a page.
As with all design issues, the "best" choice is usually a
compromise,
depending on what you want to achieve.
My first choice for positioning elements is often to use margins -
including negative margins on occasion. See this CommunityMX article
for more:
<http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=b0029>
Hope this helps.
Cordially,
David
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