Like or not, the inconsistency exists. I'm not the one who set it up that way and neither of our opinions really matters anyway; the fact is that 7070 has been in use by PSK for over 15 years in Region 2 and there is no reason NOT to know that; it is widely published for anyone to see. If you think I'm pulling that fact out of my posterior, feel free to Google it yourself.
I'm not sure where you get the idea I have a limited world view; I clearly stated in several of my emails that things always go to hell in a handbasket when rare DX hits the bands. As for not buying my comment about 7040 being mostly EU, that's the way the bandplan has it set up. Again, Google is your friend. If you're hearing PSK on 7040 during the day in your area, there are obviously stations in your area using it; leave it to the left coast to have it ass-backwards. I'm not a no-code tech... I've been doing this for over 40 years and I don't appreciate you talking down to me. I get it... you don’t like PSK-31. That's fine, but you need not throw stones at those of us who do. If you like FT8 and the wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am type of contact, more power to you. Those of us who care more about the human element of ham radio than our DXCC or grid count are fine with that. All we ask is that you leave us the hell alone in our little 2 KHz segment of the band and for God's sake be a gentleman and listen before you transmit; anything less is nothing less than an indication of a piss-poor operator. We don't move up into your area during our contests... we'd appreciate the same treatment. Frankly, those of us on PSK are not going to go around trying to police what the DXpeditions are trying to do. We have no means to do so and they wouldn't listen to us anyway. The developers are the one who let this genie out of the bottle and they are damn well responsible for what happens when it is misused. They could very easily license Fox mode to individual DXpeditions, requiring them to do a little coordination before issuing the license. No coordination - no Fox Mode - period. And that entire process would be a lot less painful that listening to us bitching about you all the time. There are over 100 emails on this subject today in the various PSK groups that I belong to and the PSK community is pissed. If you think my tone here is ugly, you ought to hear what's being said behind your back. As far as I can tell, NOBODY with any authority to fix this problem has ever piped up about what can be done, or even acknowledged that people are complaining. What I keep hearing is 'it ain't illegal for us to be there, so we're gonna be there', which once again is the sign of a piss-poor operator and a lousy excuse for a human being. What IS illegal is intentional interference - and a lot of people are convinced that that's what's happening. I'm done here... I've said my peace and don't expect anyone to listen. If the developers only care about FT8 users, then the rest of us are wasting our breath anyway. If the developers give a damn about what's good for them and for ham radio, they'll step in and clean up the mess they made. WM4B BT CL -----Original Message----- From: Jim Brown [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] DXpedition Mode on 40 Meters? On 3/27/2018 3:59 AM, [email protected] wrote: > 7040 is used mostly in Europe. Region 2 uses 7070 - thus the > existence of the 070 Club, of which I've been a member for 15 or more > years. That inconsistency is totally inappropriate on a band that supports worldwide QSOs. A comparable disconnect in the voluntary Region One and Region Two bandplans occurs on 6M, where summertime openings often support QSOs between NA and EU, yet the digital are more than 100 kHz apart. And I don't buy the 7040 segment "mainly in EU;" I'm near San Francisco, and it's often full of PSK during daylight hours that are far too loud to be coming from EU. I am in complete disagreement with your position and your quite limited "world view" of ham operation. Have you never heard a pileup for a DXpedition to a rare place? It's common for 10-15 kHz to be wall-to-wall on CW and RTTY, and twice that on SSB. And for there to be hundreds of stations calling within one of those pileups. Or in a major contest, when participants on any given band can outnumber casual operators by more than 200:1? And how are the "brag tapes" that turned me and many of my friends off to PSK and RTTY for casual operation different from FT8? From where I sit, WSJT-X developers have done wonderful things that have opened new possibilities for those of us who push the envelope. EU most bands is a heavy lift from NorCal, and really tough below 20M. Working ANYTHING can be tough for those in antenna-challenged QTHs, and the WSJT-X modes open new possibilities for them as well. It is a LONG established principle of ham radio, defined by FCC Rules and corresponding laws in other countries, that no one person or group has priority on any given frequency at any given time; indeed, these Rules (laws) establish only permitted emission types for a range of frequencies. This discussion is totally out of place on the developers' reflector. Rather, it should be addressed to those hearty individuals who give of their time and treasure to put stations on the air from usually very difficult places and under difficult conditions, and for the benefit of tens of thousands of hams around the world. Choice of operating frequencies and times is THEIRS. FWIW, I mainly operate CW, but also enjoy RTTY contesting. 160M is one of my favorite bands for chasing DX, and I'm currently using WSJT-X modes to work SC and VT to finish 160M QRP WAS. There are no FCC allocations by mode on 160M; gentlemens' agreements in NA have long confined CW below 1840, SSB above it, and WSJT-X users between 1836 and 1843. But for big 160M contests, CW goes well above 1900, SSB goes well below 1820, WSJT-X modes get overrun. And everyone adjusts to it. 73, Jim K9YC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ wsjt-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
