On 02/08/2021 06:21, Jim Brown via wsjt-devel wrote:
On 8/1/2021 9:13 PM, MIKE LAVELLE via wsjt-devel wrote:
What's wrong with signal reports... lots of us like to know how well we are getting out.

But signal reports only tell us signal to noise ratio in the other station's receiver, NOT signal strength. I use WSJT modes on 6M and 160M to make difficult QSOs -- (on 160M it's EU), so I run legal limit to better than average antennas and on 160M, have two reversible Beverages and two RX loops, but WSJT nearly always give signal reports to the stations I work that are 10-15 dB better than what they give me.

So signal reports in WSJT tell me far more about their station and its RX noise than how well I'm "getting out."  And especially on VHF, if you can eliminate one "over" by exchanging only the grid, or by calling with TX2, we can squeeze 30 seconds out of a QSO and squeeze one third more into a short band opening!

The only reason I call with TX1 most of the time is that I'm a K9 living in W6, and don't want the other station to swing their beam in the wrong direction. I've lost QSOs that way. :)

73, Jim K9YC

Jim,

please remember that many WSJT-X users of the latest set of digital modes (FT8, MSK144, FT4, FST4, Q65) do not have the luxury of being able send grids in standard messages because they hold calls that do not qualify as standard calls as defined by the protocols. Signal reports require many less bits to convey than grid squares do and the source encoding of messages takes advantage of that. If reports were dropped in favour of grid squares the protocols would need fundamental changes, including a loss of sensitivity, unless all those non-standard calls were to be excluded from normal QSOs.

73
Bill
G4WJS.

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