Fw: A FEW VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!!! OR Mine's Smaller than Yours

[Mark Malatak]

This has taken a decided and disturbing turn for the dark and vengeful. This, which is intended as an open forum for ideas and opinions regarding XML and other EC technologies, has become one regarding ourselves, others, human appendages, latin and "other languages". I fear I might have to submit my dreaded "UNSUBSCRIBE" email.   We've finally widdled these discussions down to the true question; not "what format should the data be in?", but "hey, we have a new pipe, how do we direct, control and protect data as we use it?". Let's keep this productive. Everyone's opinion has value. I myself am proof that even a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and again.     -----Original Message----- From: Brian Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: XML/EDI Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, July 28, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: FW: A FEW VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!!! OR Mine's Smaller than Yours -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A FEW VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!!! OR Mine's Smaller than Yours The word 'cock' springs to mind I am, I am I fuckin well am                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]                     om                   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]                                          cc:     (bcc: Glenn Chegwidden/MIS/KTCIE)                     28/07/00             Subject:     Re: A FEW VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!!! OR Mine's Smaller than                     08:22                Yours Dear William, Given your stature among the members of this list and your legendary humor, I shouldn't even dare to deny your insight in the minds of Kurt Svensson's and me. But the fact is that I am the Technical Manager of a GEIS VAN and I don't think that "Internet EDI using Interoperable standards and VANs are overkill", otherwise I won't be on this list. I was only trying to give a SIMPLE and CLEAR answer both theoretically and practically using a popular Internet Age language. Regards, Paul Aoun --- "William J. Kammerer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Williams, of the Kellogg Company, asked some > simple reasonable > questions on how to move XML documents over the > Internet,  especially > how addressability is handled. > > Addressability of business documents, whether X12, > EDIFACT or > RosettaNet, is usually based on a logical business > identifier such as a > DUNS, UCS ID, or EAN Location Number.  One of a > VAN's most important > value-adds is to route documents based on these IDs > to the intended > recipient safely and securely.  On the other hand, > Internet EDI packages > like 8760's GISBAgent or Cyclone Interchange (which > are based on > interoperable standards) require some sort of setup > to equate the > logical business ID with Internet addresses.   Add > in key maintenance, > certificate exchange, etc. etc., and the maintenance > headaches add up > quickly, perhaps allowing us to better appreciate > the services of a VAN. > Also, don't forget to throw in the intimate > relationship you need with > the corporate *NETWORK MAN* (i.e., the need to > listen to his tirades > against Bill Gates) to get past firewalls and do > that mumbo-jumbo with > proxy servers and port addresses. > > IT Man, a.k.a. Paul Aoun, seems to think that both > Internet EDI using > Interoperable standards and VANs are overkill.  He > instead says > everything Paul needs can be done in a snippet of > Java code for *FREE*. > Now, IT Man and Kurt Svensson have squared off in a > perverse duel, > goaded on by Brian Curtis, to establish their > alpha-male position; > except in this case,  he who has the *SMALLER* one > wins. > > Of course, I have no interest in reading any code > which has no comments. > But from the little bit I saw of either IT Man's or > Kurt's code, I don't > understand what all the stuff about doing queries > against a database has > to do with the demo.  Paul Williams asked about > sending an *XML > document* across the internet; is it really of any > interest how that > document is created? - it just confuses the issue. > > But I'm going to assume Paul has serious needs (and > I won't even > question here why he's using XML).  If he's not > interested in the VAN or > Internet EDI (i.e., those which use interoperable > standards) solutions, > then he might also consider OnDisplay's *FREE* "B2B > XML server for > secure, reliable information delivery over the > Internet - XML Connect," > at http://www.xmlconnect.net/xmlconnect/. > > William J. Kammerer > FORESIGHT Corp. > 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy. > Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305 > +1 614 791-1600 > > Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at > http://www.foresightcorp.com/ > "Commerce for a New World" > > > > > ------   XML/edi Group Discussion List   ------ > Homepage =  http://www.XMLedi-Group.org > > Unsubscribe =  send email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Leave the subject and body of the message blank > > Questions/requests:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To receive only one message per day (digest format) > send the following message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > (leave the subject line blank) > > digest xmledi-group your-email-address > > To join the XML/edi Group complete the form located > at: > http://www.xmledi-group.org/xmledigroup/mail1.htm > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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