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Subject: Re: A FEW VERY SIMPLE QUESTION!!! OR Mine's Smaller than Yours
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28/07/00 Subject: Re: A FEW VERY SIMPLE
QUESTION!!! OR Mine's Smaller than
08:22 Yours
Dear William,
Given your stature among the members of this list and
your legendary humor, I shouldn't even dare to deny
your insight in the minds of Kurt Svensson's and me.
But the fact is that I am the Technical Manager of a
GEIS VAN and I don't think that "Internet EDI using
Interoperable standards and VANs are overkill",
otherwise I won't be on this list.
I was only trying to give a SIMPLE and CLEAR answer
both theoretically and practically using a popular
Internet Age language.
Regards,
Paul Aoun
--- "William J. Kammerer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Williams, of the Kellogg Company, asked some
> simple reasonable
> questions on how to move XML documents over the
> Internet, especially
> how addressability is handled.
>
> Addressability of business documents, whether X12,
> EDIFACT or
> RosettaNet, is usually based on a logical business
> identifier such as a
> DUNS, UCS ID, or EAN Location Number. One of a
> VAN's most important
> value-adds is to route documents based on these IDs
> to the intended
> recipient safely and securely. On the other hand,
> Internet EDI packages
> like 8760's GISBAgent or Cyclone Interchange (which
> are based on
> interoperable standards) require some sort of setup
> to equate the
> logical business ID with Internet addresses. Add
> in key maintenance,
> certificate exchange, etc. etc., and the maintenance
> headaches add up
> quickly, perhaps allowing us to better appreciate
> the services of a VAN.
> Also, don't forget to throw in the intimate
> relationship you need with
> the corporate *NETWORK MAN* (i.e., the need to
> listen to his tirades
> against Bill Gates) to get past firewalls and do
> that mumbo-jumbo with
> proxy servers and port addresses.
>
> IT Man, a.k.a. Paul Aoun, seems to think that both
> Internet EDI using
> Interoperable standards and VANs are overkill. He
> instead says
> everything Paul needs can be done in a snippet of
> Java code for *FREE*.
> Now, IT Man and Kurt Svensson have squared off in a
> perverse duel,
> goaded on by Brian Curtis, to establish their
> alpha-male position;
> except in this case, he who has the *SMALLER* one
> wins.
>
> Of course, I have no interest in reading any code
> which has no comments.
> But from the little bit I saw of either IT Man's or
> Kurt's code, I don't
> understand what all the stuff about doing queries
> against a database has
> to do with the demo. Paul Williams asked about
> sending an *XML
> document* across the internet; is it really of any
> interest how that
> document is created? - it just confuses the issue.
>
> But I'm going to assume Paul has serious needs (and
> I won't even
> question here why he's using XML). If he's not
> interested in the VAN or
> Internet EDI (i.e., those which use interoperable
> standards) solutions,
> then he might also consider OnDisplay's *FREE* "B2B
> XML server for
> secure, reliable information delivery over the
> Internet - XML Connect,"
> at http://www.xmlconnect.net/xmlconnect/.
>
> William J. Kammerer
> FORESIGHT Corp.
> 4950 Blazer Memorial Pkwy.
> Dublin, OH USA 43017-3305
> +1 614 791-1600
>
> Visit FORESIGHT Corp. at
> http://www.foresightcorp.com/
> "Commerce for a New World"
>
>
>
>
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