What does the Strategy and Tactics say about the nature and character of the ANC, if am confused?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]>wrote: > Surely now I am convinced that you are iether miss informed or just > plain ignorant. Fact is more than 90% of ANC members are working class, the > question here is not ideological understanding and consciousness, of which > we cant out source as communist, remember we members of the SACP are only an > advance and most resolute section of the working class, it is equally at our > tusk that we work towards to societal consciousness. > > It is relatively known that the SACP and the COSATU are not just a baais > movement for the working class, it is not calculatingly that we are not a > greed organ towards our resolute responsibility but you should know what we > stand for at-least. > > Basically accommodating tranches of capitalism is not primarily > non-revolutionary but tactically correct, in simple terms keep your friends > close and keep your enemy even more closer , but however reading > comprehensively will at time assist you my friend. > > > --- On *Wed, 2/3/10, Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The Times > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 3:03 AM > > > If one follows your logic, then the ANC ceases to be a broad church. It is > slowly but surely becoming a socialist or communist organisation. I doubt > if your analysis and reading of the of the ANC is accurate. If that is the > case, why is the remains a political centre not the Alliance as some of the > Left forces would like the situation to be. The ANC is forever contested by > the contending class forces that you find within its own ranks. The > misreading of the Polokwane outcome continues to baffle me. But, only time > will tell. > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Sithembewena tsembeyi < > [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]>> wrote: > >> I think Zamikhaya and others your defenatly falling in to the trap, and >> gradually missing the point here, it is not through these few hooligans that >> the conference will be determined. However there is a fundamental reality >> that credibility will be the menu of the day.. >> >> Maybe you have no realization that the ANC led alliance is confiscated >> through all the alliance partners and this merely means that ANC has by its >> own right a right to forward its mandatory elements in the discussion as per >> say. But what they fail to understand that over 90 % of members of the ANC >> are from left formation that is the affiliates of COSATU and also members >> of the communist party are by their own right members of the ANC too, this >> serve to say that they as members of ANC are constitutionally allowed to >> participate in nomination electing etc. towards the conference and make no >> mistake all members of the ANC know their true leaders and will not be >> fooled by these nonsensical public staging by some. >> >> So what is key to us is to reflect to realistic issues that they are at >> utmost trying to intimidate us not to participate as they have realised >> classical ideological content. >> >> I participate in the Branch of the ANC every Monday and for every meeting >> I have learnt that pro-nationalist, with liberal tendencies and their >> forever aspirations for capital, corruption, riches and the likes will >> forever fill threatened by those that lead clarity on paramount issues. >> >> --- On *Wed, 2/3/10, Zamikhaya Maseti >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Zamikhaya Maseti >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The >> Times >> To: >> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:34 AM >> >> If Gwede goes as the Youth League wants, that will mean that both >> COSATU and the SACP have no influence over the ANC. If he stays that will >> confirm the strenghth of the Left. The question is:what is it that you are >> doing on the ground to make sure that all your cadres stay, it's not just >> Gwede alone. This is the question which in my view should preoccupy of all >> Communists, young and old. >> >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:40 AM, >> <[email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>> Qabane, cde mantashe articulates the decisions of the ANC as ANC GS and >>> articulates the views of the SACP as SACP chairperson and let us not >>> confuse his different roles. Infact I agree with the view that we need to >>> have more radical approach but that can not be done by Gwede alone as ANC >>> GS. That can be done by being more influencial to ANC NEC at large, >>> become >>> more influencial in all structures of ANC in particular and ultimately to >>> have more radical change in ANC policies during ANC policy conferences >>> and >>> congresses. >>> >>> Cdes im very worried by the silence of SACP, COSATU AND YCL in issue of >>> nationalisation of mines even if we dont agree with ANCYL version we must >>> put more flash on it. May that is why we hear likes of Shabangu so strong >>> about impossibility of nationalisation of mines and i wonder why. Infact >>> cdes, there might be a reason beind the ANCYL call which we might not >>> know >>> but one will ask what is our position. >>> >>> Malemas say that Gwede is a goner might not be undermined maqabane. >>> Malema >>> thinks he is the POWER HOUSE of this ANC led movement and we must teach >>> him a lesson. Cdes if we allow Gwede to be out voted, that will mean we >>> are not at all ready to start building socialism. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> Please POST your comments to >>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>or >>> reply to this message. >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>> [email protected]<http://mc/[email protected]>. >>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >>> put anything in the message part. 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