Comrade Sithe,
I don't think your disaggregation of the composition of the ANC membership is correct. I also feel that you are quick on attacking the comrade than providing a logical analysis. As we all know the ANC is a multi class and multi strata organization that seeks as its mission to unite all the people of South Africa under a non-racial, non-sexist, democratic, united and prosperous country. Its main revolutionary motive force though, in class terms, is the working class, urban and rural poor. In this context, the dominance and leadership role of the working class in the ANC can only be assured if this class is conscious of its interests as a class and work hard to influence policy in the ANC for its own class interests. This will not be an easy task because there are other classes who have different ways of ensuring their influence in the ANC. Unfortunately these other classes and strata are better off financially than the working class. They put in millions to buy policy direction. They fund the most elementary lumpens to advocate with terror their class interests disguised as interests of the majority of the poor. So comrade, no amount of rhetoric will ensure the influence of the working class and the broad left in the ANC. What is important is practical political activity at branch level. Some of these forces advancing bourgeoisie class interests disguised as pro poor calls like nationalization of mines and the like, are hard at work to ensure that branches buy into this agenda. Sometimes you will find that it is not about how conscious the working class is for it to be able to defend the ANC from the bourgeoisie take over. It is about how hungry and disillusioned is the working class. If the left protagonists do not work hard with the mass of the working class and the poor to ensure that the ANC delivers on the basic needs of the working class and the poor, the danger is for this class to be susceptible to any form of rhetoric and schemes that promises a quick and unsustainable income. Consistent work among the masses of the working class and the poor must be guided by practical programmes that respond to both the immediate and long term interests of this class. Mzukisi ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sithembewena tsembeyi Sent: 03 February 2010 01:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The Times Surely now I am convinced that you are iether miss informed or just plain ignorant. Fact is more than 90% of ANC members are working class, the question here is not ideological understanding and consciousness, of which we cant out source as communist, remember we members of the SACP are only an advance and most resolute section of the working class, it is equally at our tusk that we work towards to societal consciousness. It is relatively known that the SACP and the COSATU are not just a baais movement for the working class, it is not calculatingly that we are not a greed organ towards our resolute responsibility but you should know what we stand for at-least. Basically accommodating tranches of capitalism is not primarily non-revolutionary but tactically correct, in simple terms keep your friends close and keep your enemy even more closer , but however reading comprehensively will at time assist you my friend. --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> wrote: From: Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The Times To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 3:03 AM If one follows your logic, then the ANC ceases to be a broad church. It is slowly but surely becoming a socialist or communist organisation. I doubt if your analysis and reading of the of the ANC is accurate. If that is the case, why is the remains a political centre not the Alliance as some of the Left forces would like the situation to be. The ANC is forever contested by the contending class forces that you find within its own ranks. The misreading of the Polokwane outcome continues to baffle me. But, only time will tell. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> wrote: I think Zamikhaya and others your defenatly falling in to the trap, and gradually missing the point here, it is not through these few hooligans that the conference will be determined. However there is a fundamental reality that credibility will be the menu of the day.. Maybe you have no realization that the ANC led alliance is confiscated through all the alliance partners and this merely means that ANC has by its own right a right to forward its mandatory elements in the discussion as per say. But what they fail to understand that over 90 % of members of the ANC are from left formation that is the affiliates of COSATU and also members of the communist party are by their own right members of the ANC too, this serve to say that they as members of ANC are constitutionally allowed to participate in nomination electing etc. towards the conference and make no mistake all members of the ANC know their true leaders and will not be fooled by these nonsensical public staging by some. So what is key to us is to reflect to realistic issues that they are at utmost trying to intimidate us not to participate as they have realised classical ideological content. I participate in the Branch of the ANC every Monday and for every meeting I have learnt that pro-nationalist, with liberal tendencies and their forever aspirations for capital, corruption, riches and the likes will forever fill threatened by those that lead clarity on paramount issues. --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> wrote: From: Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The Times To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:34 AM If Gwede goes as the Youth League wants, that will mean that both COSATU and the SACP have no influence over the ANC. If he stays that will confirm the strenghth of the Left. The question is:what is it that you are doing on the ground to make sure that all your cadres stay, it's not just Gwede alone. This is the question which in my view should preoccupy of all Communists, young and old. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:40 AM, <[email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> > wrote: Qabane, cde mantashe articulates the decisions of the ANC as ANC GS and articulates the views of the SACP as SACP chairperson and let us not confuse his different roles. Infact I agree with the view that we need to have more radical approach but that can not be done by Gwede alone as ANC GS. That can be done by being more influencial to ANC NEC at large, become more influencial in all structures of ANC in particular and ultimately to have more radical change in ANC policies during ANC policy conferences and congresses. Cdes im very worried by the silence of SACP, COSATU AND YCL in issue of nationalisation of mines even if we dont agree with ANCYL version we must put more flash on it. May that is why we hear likes of Shabangu so strong about impossibility of nationalisation of mines and i wonder why. Infact cdes, there might be a reason beind the ANCYL call which we might not know but one will ask what is our position. Malemas say that Gwede is a goner might not be undermined maqabane. Malema thinks he is the POWER HOUSE of this ANC led movement and we must teach him a lesson. Cdes if we allow Gwede to be out voted, that will mean we are not at all ready to start building socialism. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za <http://www.webmail.co.za/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] <http://mc/[email protected]> or reply to this message. 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