Maseti, I agree with you that "If one follows your (tsembeyi's) logic, then the ANC ceases to be a broad church. It is slowly but surely becoming a socialist or communist organization. I doubt if your analysis and reading of the of the ANC is accurate. If that is the case, why is the remains a political centre not the Alliance as some of the Left forces would like the situation to be". Morever, the 90% is a mere speculation and nothing more. The 90% allegation also undermines the fact that Cosatu has a number of workers who belong to other organization like IFP etc but joined the former because of factory-related grievances. Therefore it is fundamentally wrong to assume that all Cosatu members are automatically ANC members. Even those who are ANC members could tell you that "i-ANC yondla abantwana bethu and yasikhulula emabhunu period" which means that their political consciousness is low such that some of them 'forget' that the Alliance was working with other progressive forces. Perhaps the challenge for the Left is to translate the theoretical stuff into vernacular languages instead of claiming influence that does not go beyond the few and leadership structures. Just stop one or two ordinary workers and engage them on their ideal South Africa and the world, I'm sure you will c for yrself . As for the SACP membership, it is not even over my ANC region's membership. So really I do not know where do you base the 90% issue. The left as whole is also fragmented in that not all of them agree to the Alliance. Lets come up with 'facts' so that our dreams will be correctly guided. Let me leave the "Gwede vs whoever" to my branch when the time is right. On this one, I will follow my ANC branch instead of arguing in an "i am political clear than all of you" approach. Let this approach be used by is architects. The ANC Lives and Leads and Pressure Groups will continues to influence it Period. >>> Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> 2/3/2010 1:03 PM >>> If one follows your logic, then the ANC ceases to be a broad church. It is slowly but surely becoming a socialist or communist organisation. I doubt if your analysis and reading of the of the ANC is accurate. If that is the case, why is the remains a political centre not the Alliance as some of the Left forces would like the situation to be. The ANC is forever contested by the contending class forces that you find within its own ranks. The misreading of the Polokwane outcome continues to baffle me. But, only time will tell.
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> wrote: I think Zamikhaya and others your defenatly falling in to the trap, and gradually missing the point here, it is not through these few hooligans that the conference will be determined. However there is a fundamental reality that credibility will be the menu of the day.. Maybe you have no realization that the ANC led alliance is confiscated through all the alliance partners and this merely means that ANC has by its own right a right to forward its mandatory elements in the discussion as per say. But what they fail to understand that over 90 % of members of the ANC are from left formation that is the affiliates of COSATU and also members of the communist party are by their own right members of the ANC too, this serve to say that they as members of ANC are constitutionally allowed to participate in nomination electing etc. towards the conference and make no mistake all members of the ANC know their true leaders and will not be fooled by these nonsensical public staging by some. So what is key to us is to reflect to realistic issues that they are at utmost trying to intimidate us not to participate as they have realised classical ideological content. I participate in the Branch of the ANC every Monday and for every meeting I have learnt that pro-nationalist, with liberal tendencies and their forever aspirations for capital, corruption, riches and the likes will forever fill threatened by those that lead clarity on paramount issues. --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> wrote: From: Zamikhaya Maseti <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Mantashe is a goner, says Malema -The Times To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 2:34 AM If Gwede goes as the Youth League wants, that will mean that both COSATU and the SACP have no influence over the ANC. If he stays that will confirm the strenghth of the Left. The question is:what is it that you are doing on the ground to make sure that all your cadres stay, it's not just Gwede alone. This is the question which in my view should preoccupy of all Communists, young and old. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:40 AM, <[email protected] ( http://mc/[email protected] )> wrote: Qabane, cde mantashe articulates the decisions of the ANC as ANC GS and articulates the views of the SACP as SACP chairperson and let us not confuse his different roles. Infact I agree with the view that we need to have more radical approach but that can not be done by Gwede alone as ANC GS. That can be done by being more influencial to ANC NEC at large, become more influencial in all structures of ANC in particular and ultimately to have more radical change in ANC policies during ANC policy conferences and congresses. Cdes im very worried by the silence of SACP, COSATU AND YCL in issue of nationalisation of mines even if we dont agree with ANCYL version we must put more flash on it. May that is why we hear likes of Shabangu so strong about impossibility of nationalisation of mines and i wonder why. Infact cdes, there might be a reason beind the ANCYL call which we might not know but one will ask what is our position. Malemas say that Gwede is a goner might not be undermined maqabane. Malema thinks he is the POWER HOUSE of this ANC led movement and we must teach him a lesson. Cdes if we allow Gwede to be out voted, that will mean we are not at all ready to start building socialism. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ( http://www.webmail.co.za/ ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] ( http://mc/[email protected] ) or reply to this message. 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