What we had earlier this year was the "*Basics*
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/communist-university/web/basics---index>"
course, where there was an item on Trade Unions and an item on Negotiation.
The first of these is *here*
<http://domza.blogspot.com/2010/02/vanguard.html> (scroll down).
The other one is *here*
<http://domza.blogspot.com/2010/02/negotiation.html> (great picture!).
Another item that is relevant is Karl Marx's *Value, Price and Profit*
<http://domza.blogspot.com/2010/03/value-price-and-profit.html>. It is a
written version of a talk that Marx gave to some workers, in response to
on of them, Citizen Weston, whose views were not altogether different
from some of the views expressed on this thread.
VC
On 2010/07/01 08:59 AM, sithembele senti wrote:
Cde Tsineng,
I am almost sure that we had earlier in the year ran a series about
the relationship between Labour and Capital in this University, if not
am sure it is certainly still coming. try and search it from the CU
archives and I am sure Domza will be more than willing to help. If all
those of us who want to learn particularly around the question you are
raising, I suggest we start there so that we can have sharp tools to
analize and engage our Labour economics of today, Thanks
"All Young Revolutionaries to the Front"
Stera Senti
> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Relationship between employer and
the workers
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 07:41:00 +0000
>
> Cde Tsineng,
> I agree with you when you imply that the differences between workers
and the capitalists are of an irreconcilable nature. Your reasoning of
the issue as a matter of worker greed leaves much to be desired. I
will come back to address this error in analysis. The assertion of
unreasonableness among some employers as a cause of strikes in other
cases is misleading. It creates an impression that there's reasonable
or fair theft or exploitation yet there is no such. What settle
differences is mainly the perceived balance of forces in relation to
the class rivals. Balance of forces is the point of equilibrium. This
is not fixed but shifts with the development of class forces. More on
this will be said when time so permit. Enough to say this is limited
to the quantitative change process. Turning to the issue worker's
greed. Let me remind you my esteemed comrade that the extraction of
surplus value takes place at the production point rather than the
market place. Therefore the workers demand compensation for labor
embodied as value in the product of their toil. Capital would like to
have us believe that this is sharing of a profit that belongs to them.
This is actually reduction of the exploitation burden that workers
carry for centuries. What workers should be demanding is the end to
all forms of exploitation of man by man. Gender neutral man.
>
> Let's talk
>
> Zama.
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>
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> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Relationship between employer and the
workers
>
> In view of recent strikes and intent to strike by different
organisation, I start to believe that it is true that always when the
two meet,the will be differences,to the extent that each flex the
muscle. Some of the demands are really genuine,while sometimes
greediness drives some workers. The core issue that make the
relationship sour is mainly sharing of profit,in majority of instances
the employer want to get muc bigger portion and always try his best to
give the workers minimum. What can be the solution to avoid
this,because in most cases is a loose-loose situation. What are the
other better options to assist growth. Let me pause for
now.:::0:a0534a1742f6f7e1d1a8979adbd948d0:7d0:x:::
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