From: <BillSmartI like zazen because it's not a blur, it's clarity.> I don't see it the same way. Most zen seems like a lot of bullshit and smoke and mirrors. I thought Krishnamurti had more concrete remarks even though he basically was ripping off zen. At least he would actually have something to say. Zen is more along the lines of amorphous clouds of happy faces. The fact that they never actually say anything means that anything can be interpretted however the listener wants. That is what charlatans and con-artists do.
I am not saying that is what it is, just that if you put a zen master and Hillary Clinton and Barack and McCain all behind a wall and asked them questions, it would be hard to tell which one was the zen master. They are all things to all people. Zen is a business, and business is about selling what people want; a non denominational, non-judgmental, everything is good, we are what we are, philosophy of none-ness. Zen is the ultimate burn-out religion in the West. They are selling easy street. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/