Mike,

 

It is appropriate to look at a man-made object or symbol and ask “What is this 
thing’s meaning or purpose?” It makes sense to ask this question about a chair, 
a poem or a computer because these things were conceived of and created my 
people. That’s where their meaning or purpose came from. 

 

When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the Pacific Ocean or a rock, 
no answer is possible. You can describe how these things interact with their 
environment or the benefit we derive from them but that’s not the same as a 
purpose. To ask what purpose these things have is a loaded question. The 
question itself implies that a supreme being create them for a purpose.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike 
brown
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

 

Even if it were possible to trace every event/phenonema right back to the Big 
Bang - a belief in God is neither required nor a logical result of doing so. To 
a Buddhist, conceptual thinking in relation to phenonema is transcended and a 
more material, empirical method can be employed (zazen springs to mind in this 
sense). If you take a look around the room where you are now you`ll see lots of 
phenonema (actually, everything you see is phenonema). Same with all your 
senses. Can you give meaning to all you see, hear, touch etc? Does the feel of 
your bum on the seat have meaning? Does the taste of your last 
cigarette/meal/drink have meaning? Does the sound of the air-conditioner have 
meaning? You probably wouldn`t even notice these small (insignificant?) 
sensations unless they were pointed out because, quite frankly, we`d go insane 
if we noticed all thse things and attached meanings to them. However, the more 
noticeable phenonema we tend to give meanings to: a faimily member dies on 
Christmas Day, a comet is visible on your child`s birthday etc. Again, a theist 
will colour these (selected) events with a supernatural twist, but in Buddhism 
they are all `just` events. We can`t call it "senseless stupidity" because that 
judges the events too subjectively. Even less so are they "unconnected". This 
is what interdependent origination is trying to point out. To give every 
phenonema a meaning doesn`t make sense because each phenonema is conditioned 
and interconnected in an infinite number of  ways. According to Buddhism, you 
can`t take one event and give it some divine/supernatural meaning (although we 
try) and isolate it from a preceding conditional event. All lines drawn this 
way are purely arbitary and just a convenient way to label the meaningless 
`meaningful`. This doesn`t result in cold detachment, but gives the 
observer/experiencer of phenonema a better sense of equaninimity. After all, 
Buddhism isn`t interested in metaphysical explainations, but in ending 
suffering only.

Mike.

 

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, 3 July, 2008 7:15:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill

From: mike brown >to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require
giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So
there. >

Which is exactly what a belief in God means. You are saying that in the
Buddhist concept it is all just senseless stupidity and mindless unconnected
events?

 

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