Anthony, I believe the everything is haphazard (chaos - the original meaning) and we all are free to kill, rob, rape, drink and burn without - fear of retribution. We are also free to give alms, comfort and love, refrain from intoxicants and create wonders - without hope of reward.
I don't do any of the first group and do a lot of the second group, all without having to answer to anyone. Why can't you? Why do you (and Al) have to have someone or something else tell you what to do and be answerable to? Don't you trust yourself? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:24 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God Chris, There are strict rules governing material world, down to subatomic particles. I tend to believe the same applies to the spiritual world. It is not convincing that a personal god can set the rules. So the best theory is still with karma objectively. The problem is we only remember this one life. For karma to work out we need to go through more than one life. In other words, karma and rebirth go together. Otherwise, everything is haphazard, so we are free to kill, rob, rape, drink and burn. Anthony --- On Fri, 16/1/09, cid830 <summitj...@att.net> wrote: From: cid830 <summitj...@att.net> Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 8:52 AM I would like to help, Anthony. But I've got nothing. Science has theories. Some proven, some not. I would like to believe in karma. But I'm more inclined to believe in the randomness of the universe. I think JM can sync to it. We can experience it. But no one can truly explain the 'reasoning' behind it. Or the 'rules' that govern it. Does this make any sense? Thank You, Chris --- In zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote: > Rules No.4, 5, 6... waiting for somebody to fill in. ________________________________________ Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail..com. __________ NOD32 3770 (20090116) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/