Anthony:
Not sure how much cost a packet of cigarettes now in the UK but I know that are
very expensive. The price is increasing everywhere in Europe because of the
aggressive campaign encouraging people to give up smoking. I have mine sent
from Spain and last time I paid almost 4 Euros for each packet. .
Mayka
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 22:31
Mayka,
I am sorry your continued request has been ignored. As our new member says,
people tend to maintain 'certainly'. Meanwhile, there is also a lack of
compassion. By the way, how much is a pack of cigarettes in Europe? In
Singapore here, you pay SGD12, which is about Eur 6.7. Next time, before you
try to quit again, go to China to have full satisfaction first. A pack of
Marlboro is only 10 yuan (Eur 1).
Anthony
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 7:29 PM
Anthony:
Thanks for the giving up smoking but as I previously said, I don't want to
give it up anymore. I struggle for years with it. I asked for help to my
sangha and pointed out more than once that it at the time I would have spent a
minimum of three months in the PV Monastery, I would have given up smoking for
sure. Never had a reply for my continuos request help and now I remain as a
smoker because I like to smoke!.
Sparkling Lemon refreshment drink mixed with alcoholic beer (2/3 of lemon
sparkling drink and 1/3 of beer) is part of the traditional drinks in Spain.
It's mostly a summer drink and can't assure you very refreshing and digestive
with some summer meals. Here in Scotland the same drink doesn't have the same
healthy effect on me. So I don't drink it. I drink natural clear water,
coconut water and things like that. But mostly just lots of clear
water. Water is actually the drink I most like from all!.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 11:19
Mayka,
Beer mixed with anything else won't taste good. Cocktails are not made from
beer, but wisky, cognac, gin, vodka etc. Meditation should help you give up
smoking, if you want. However, you should resist temptation to come back to
cigarettes for half a year. After that, it is over, and you feel great.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 3:47 PM
Hi Anthony:
I don't know because hardly ever drink beer but when I do is with alcohol and
mixed with sparkling lemon. I'm an smoker. After different attempts in the
past of trying to give up I didn't succeed. Now I don't try to give up any
longer. Perhaps smokes gives up on me!.
Mayka
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 1:00
Mayka,
The alcohol free beer may taste the same, but never 'feels' the same as the
real beer. As I told you, my unsuccessful attempts at quitting smoking with
expensive nicotine free cigarrettes made things worse. Eventually I succeeded
by meditation, believe it or not.
Anthony
--- On Wed, 27/10/10, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 3:51 AM
Anthony:
There is also beer without alcohol in Spain. Not sure if in the UK but in
Spain definitely is. My younger sister told me and tried myself while I was
there. Similar taste as the one with the alcohol. Beer is a drink never
enjoyed much on its own. the way I like it is in very hot summer and mixed
with 2/3 of gaseosa ( a refreshing sparkling lemon drink) because it's very
refreshing.
Mayka
--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 0:07
Mayka,
Of course, always beer containing alcohol. When I first tried to quit smoking,
I tried nicotine free cigarettes, and ended up with a double dosage of
cigarettes that day. That is a conflict between fun and no fun. Not sure who
will win eventually.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 26/10/10, Maria Lopez <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010, 7:01 AM
Mike:
Do you drink beer with alcohol or without it?. If it's with alcohol, do you
mean that you are drunk when you write to us?....Just curious. Whatever you
do, drink with mindfulness for best taste and to know what you are
drinking. Just kidding!
Mayka
--- On Mon, 25/10/10, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 16:37
Mayka,
After a hard days work there's nothing better than to have a few beers and stir
things up here a bit. It's 90% ego entertainment and about10% (probably less)
has some meaningful value. I enjoy it a lot : )
Mike
From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 20:11:02
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
Bill, ED and all:
Bill wrote:
For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
other related subjects with others.
Mayka:
Very glad to hear you say this. For me this zen forum is the only place in
which I can express myself openly with no consequences of having done
so. And because of that I'm able to express always what is in me with no
fear or whatsoever.
In addition, I find this forum very supportive to myself practise. I
really like the variety and mix of different characters participating on it.
Each person has a characteristic that is unique to that person. Heart feels
taking this posting opportunity to thank all its participants once and again.
What about you ED, Mike, Anthony, Chris, Vincent, Mark...?
--- On Mon, 25/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 5:00
Ed,
To the best of my knowledge the Yahoo! Zen Forum was established by Albert
Batista in 2002. Al does not participate often now, but has entrusted the
Moderator's role of the forum to Edgar Owen (who also doesn't now
participate very often) and me. As part of the Zen Forum Home Page
description of the forum Al wrote:
“We believe that true Zen is a realization and way of life which may be
found and practiced anywhere and is not confined within the gates of any
particular temple or sutra. While many of our members have studied Zen
formally we are not constrained by any particular teaching and seek to cut
directly through to reality wherever we may find ourselves.
Thus you will find this group a fun and freewheeling group that brings many
interesting and diverse perspectives to a serious and sometimes passionate
discussion of Zen. We welcome all new members at whatever level with an
interest in Zen and enlightenment to participate. On this group we are all
students, and all teachers!”
That is as an official answer as I can give you.
Of course each participant may have different reasons for participating in
this forum, and would therefore have different opinions on what the zen
forum ‘was about’.
For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
other related subjects with others.
What do you think the Zen Forum is ‘about’?
…Bill!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of ED
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
Bill,
What's the Zen Forum about?
Thanks, ED
--- In [email protected], <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
Ed,
The one constant theme that runs through your comments below is that
`prior
to kensho (glimpsing Buddha Nature) it is okay to engage in intellectual
activities that you think help you understand zen'.
Zen is not something you can understand. You can form concepts and
opinions
about zen, but they are not zen. Any attempt to understand zen at best
will be unhelpful, and at worst will be misleading and detrimental.
A few posts ago I posted comments that I labeled as `logical'
and
`alogical'. The `alogical' comment was actually not
presented alogically.
It was a logical presentation of the concept of something alogical.
Since
it's relevant here, and since I'd also like to correct that
error on my
part, I now present an alogical response to your comments post below. It
can also be directed at Mike's recent comments on the same subject. It
is a
paraphrasing of a story of an excellent alogical response given by an
historical zen master:
Ed approached Joshu in all earnestness, "I want to practice zen.
I've read
many books on zen, meditation and consciousness. I keep up-to-date on
all
the latest discoveries in the realm of physiology and psychology that
relates to zen. Please give me instructions."
Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your lunch yet?"
Ed replied, "Yes I have. I just got up from the table, and I know
from my
studies that when I eat my body redirects a large portion of my blood to
my
digestive system and that results in decreased ability to concentrate,
so I
probably shouldn't sit zazen right now. What do you recommend?"
Joshu replied, "Wash your dishes."
…adapted from JOSHU'S"WASH YOUR BOWLS", Case 7 – THE
GATELESS GATE
…Bill!
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