Siska and JMJM,
This excellent phrase means to me that the Dharma (Buddhist teachings)
and enlightenment (full realization and practice of those teachings)
exist in the everyday world - as opposed to an eclectic or special
religious or spiritual world. It is a very powerful statement.
…Bill!
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Hello Siska,
Sorry. This phrase, "Dharma is in the secular world. Enlightenment is
within the secular world." is from the Second Chapter of Prajna of the
Platform Sutra by the Sixth Patriarch, Hui Neng.
This is a good one to read also. I would read it after the Heart Sutra.
The key to enlightenment if I may emphasize is to sit. Reading is for
the mind. Sitting is for the spirit.
:-)
JM
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On 11/1/2010 11:51 AM, siska_...@yahoo.com
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Hi JMJM,
I was actually asking about the specific sutra you quoted before, but
since you mentioned some sutras, I might actually look them up :-)
siska
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Subject: [Zen] Sutra Study
Hello Siska,
Thank you for asking. Sutra is nothing but a description of Buddha's
journey. Bible is nothing but a description of Jesus' journey.
The difference of the two is only in the length. Buddha spoke for 49
years and Jesus had only about 3 years. Yet they both were enlightened
to be one with the "universe/God/Buddha/Big Mind/Big Spirit". In other
words, spirituality is just a connection. Words are just descriptors.
For the first 15 years, my Teacher taught nothing but Sitting Chan,
which were brought to Japan 600 years later to be pronounced as zazen.
After we sat for 15 years, somehow we understood most of the sutra.
As Bill would suggest, just sit. And I agree. After you sit with
proper Belly Breathing for two to three years, your awareness will
rise, you will notice the phenomena in your body and brain. Along this
path truth will be unfold. This is really the most effective and
quickest way to be enlightened. Okay?
Because Buddha spoke for 49 years, there are too many sutra to be
read. If you really want to read some of them, then I would begin with
Heart Sutra. Read every translation that you can find. Then I would
read Xin Xin Ming. Both are very short. By the time you can actually
witness both, then you are ready to read Diamond Sutra. Once you truly
absorbed Diamond Sutra, you would then realize that words are just
emptiness by nature. Everything and every phenomena in our lives are
just as they suppose to be. It is us who is interpreting them
needlessly. Then the purpose of your life will be unfold to you.
Thank you for the opportunity to share.
JMJM
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On 10/31/2010 4:02 AM, siska_...@yahoo.com
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Hi JMJM,
Can you please tell me more about this sutra?
siska
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Hi Siska,
That quote I posted was how it was in the sutra, the exact words are,
"Dharma is in the secular world, Buddha is awakened from the secular
world."
Due to our ego, usually majority of us consider every day events are
not perfectly desirable. That's perhaps the reason for the sutra to
verse it this way. Buddhists usually parallel the secular world to the
mud of a lotus, and lotus signifies the awakening, or Buddha.
That's how Buddhist usually say, "Respect the mud, absorb from the
mud, cultivate the lotus."
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> Enlightenment is reached from every day life...
Not: "every day life IS enlightenment"?
siska
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Indeed, Bill.
If I may add to this very important basics..
The key to "eventually integrate it into everyday life" is NOT after
we reach kensho or satori, but rather practice to drop our
"discriminating mind" for all instances occurring at every moment in
our daily life. And do it with harmonious and compassionate heart.
Meaning to live with pure heart without judgment or question or
suspicion from our limited knowledge or experience.
Then we will be able to realize the wisdom/truth for every occurrence.
Thus we are able to manage our lives with wisdom. This is labeled as
"liberation", or "detachment from all forms".
Sutra stated very clearly, "dharma is everyday life. Enlightenment is
reached from every day life..."
Thank you for your attention
JMJM
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On 10/29/2010 3:18 AM, billsm...@hhs1963.org
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Siska,
This is what all zen teaching is about - getting to that state of 'no
mind'. Japanese Zen Buddhism has terms for this state. The first
'glimpse' of 'no mind' or 'no self' or 'Buddha Mind' is called
'kensho'. It comes unexpectedly and lasts only a brief time. This may
be the experiences you described in your post below.
As you continue zen practice you may experience some very intense
versions of this called 'satori'. After kensho and satori your
continued zen practice will deepen and lengthen this state, and
eventually integrate it into your everyday life (or perhaps its more
accurate to say you will integrate your everyday life into Buddha
Mind. Eventually you can even re-integrate intellectualizations in
Buddha Mind.
How do you do this?, you asked. As I said above, this is what zen
teaching is about. The direct answer to your question is zazen. More
indirect methods are koan study, chanting, bowing, washing dishes,
mowing the lawn...anything done with your full attention and focus can
be your zen practice and can lead to this state.
...Bill!
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for taking time to explain.
> When someone has 'awakened' they are opened up to direct experience.
This is done by shutting down your discriminating, rational mind which
is usually always busy filtering, augmenting, categorizing, judging,
etc... experiences.
My experience so far has been the rational mind can be absence,
especially during sitting or other time, but this mostly happens
unexpected, out of sudden. I have no idea it can be shut down at will.
How do you do that? Will I be able to do that if I do zen meditation?
siska
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Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 7:31
Siska,
I purposefully did not jump right in and answer your question about
Buddha. I knew there'd be plenty of others who would respond to that.
But, your comments in the attached post prompt me to respond.
Buddha does mean 'the awakened one' in Sanskrit - at least that's what
I've been told. It's also a title when used in someone's name - like
Siddhartha Gautama Buddha.
When someone has 'awakened' they are opened up to direct experience.
This is done by shutting down your discriminating, rational mind which
is usually always busy filtering, augmenting, categorizing, judging,
etc... experiences. The 'awakening' part would be akin to someone who
has been living in a dream (samsara, a world of illusions) but has now
awakened.
...Bill!
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Hi Ed, Bill,
I just remember reading somewhere, long time ago that Buddha literally
means the awakened one. If I google the term for definition, I'd
probably find something like this too (among others), which means that
Buddha is the one who is awakened instead of direct experience.
So I think I'm going to skip all the definitions and allow this mind
to perceive whatever is when reading your posts. Sound like a lot more
fun :-)
siska
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Ed,
‘One’ does not experience Buddha.
The term ‘Buddha’ and ‘direct experience’ are the same thing. Buddha is
direct experience.
‘One’ (self) is not present.
…Bill!
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Whatever one experiences 'Buddha' to be.
--ED
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> Ed,
>
> Your question: "What on earth is not an illusion?" is what zen is all
about!
>
> All thoughts and concepts of the discriminating mind (the rational mind
that
> creates dualisms such as self/other, subject/object and makes judgments
such
> as good/bad, right/wrong) are illusions.
>
> Only direct experience is not illusory. 'Direct' means before the
> experience goes through the discriminating mind and gets processed there
> (filtered, augmented, named, categorized, assigned a value, etc...). Zen
> Buddhism calls this 'Buddha Mind' or 'Buddha Nature'. Joshu called
it 'Mu'
> and 'The Oak Tree in the Garden'. Ummon called it 'A Dried Shit-Stick'.
> Gutei just held up his index finger. I call it 'Just THIS!'.
>
> So I now ask you: What is Buddha?
>
> ...Bill!
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