I always appreciate your kindness. Fear and uncertainty are human nature, 
inherited from animals. We are all struggling to get rid of them. Not so easy.

--- On Wed, 17/11/10, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <> wrote:

From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 6:20 AM



Your first statement is true.  Your second half of your second statement is 
filled with fear and uncertainty from your mind.  

We were all originally enlightened.  When the fear and suspicion from our mind 
disappear, we may just realize that we are not that far.

While Ed continues to research and discuss and trying to understand, perhaps 
you can stop circulating and trust yourself, that you can.  We all can.

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can

On 11/16/2010 12:13 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: 

Most of us are deeply bound by karma so that we are bored by 'just this'. I 
believe we can find satisfaction by just sitting down and eventual 
enlightenment, but we are way from that 'goal'. So perhaps Bill can improve his 
way of teaching like guiding children away from their toys.

--- On Tue, 16/11/10, Maria Lopez <> wrote:

From: Maria Lopez <>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 7:17 PM


Thank you for both links.  It's been particularly interesting reading 
controversial Brad W reply in connection with Big Mind and Genpo Roshi...and my 
conclusion about the whole thing is,  that hearts feel profoundly grateful for 
having found Thich Nhat Hanh dharma in those years in which his home was not 
too crowded, not too  polluted by westerners speculation, aggression and most 
of it self, ego.  There are teachings that shouldn't be passed onto westerners 
in such a light way.  Big Mind might be one of those (I wouln't know because 
first hearing was in American websites) .  And yet there is the possibility 
that in the original eastern environment (perhaps under a differente name)  
have the effect of a most powerful way of breaking through the self by exposing 
it. Building up a bond in the process with other practitioners sailing in the 
same boat.
People don't want the simplicity of Buddhism and not certainly zen.  I wouldn't 
put the blame to anyone but just in oneself incapacity of seeing what is there 
presented in simplicity.  For instance Anthony himself has  pointed out more 
than once the boredom of "just this" or sitting down.  We look for excitement 
all the time.  No one external to blame afterwards if we get hurt but just 

--- On Tue, 16/11/10, ED <> wrote:

From: ED <>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 5:44


"Big Mind"
"Merzel began developing the "Big Mind" process in 1999, after having taught 
more traditional Zen meditation and koan study for more than twenty years. The 
process is intended to allow anyone — including non-Buddhists — to experience 
"the enlightenment of the Buddha". 
The process is designed as a combination of Eastern meditation and Western 
psychological techniques to transmit the essence of Zen teachings in a way that 
is readily accessible and relevant to Westerners, a realization they can 
further deepen through meditation.
The Big Mind process is claimed to enable participants to get in touch with 
various aspects of themselves by inviting them to identify as and speak from 
these aspects or states of mind. 
The teacher walks participants through interactions with different aspects of 
their mind, including ordinary, finite ones such as the Protector, the Skeptic 
and Desiring Mind; and possibly less familiar, "transcendent" ones such as the 
"Non-Seeking/Non-Grasping Mind", "the Way", and "Big Mind and Big Heart".
Since 1999, he has offered workshops to more than 20,000 individuals all around 
the world. In addition to presentations in cities in North America and Europe, 
Genpo Roshi has made "Big Mind" available on DVDs and online.
Also see:
--- In, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@...> wrote:

To the contrary. I do not recommend Big Mind , necessarily.  In fact, I have 
said here that it is not a process that works for me. It seems a bit like group 
therapy, but not about zen.  
I know it well, as I have a home in UT, (though I live in CA).  Gempo Roshi's  
zen center is just two miles from my home there.   I did attend many 
meditation  groups , classes and even a few  retreats there..   I am friends 
with Diane Musho Hamilton, and she received her transmission from Gempo Roshi.
Actually, I have been critical of this teaching model in the past, but now--  
Well, I truly feel that there are different methods that work for different  
personalities and cultures. So, if one finds Big Mind meaningful, thats okay by 
me. I don't believe in one recipe. I do think it may attract people who would 
not normally include zen, or any spiritual practice in their lives. If so, 
then, I think there is a benefit to society at large.

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