Hi, Ed, Anthony

To help the others you should be able.
Without the oxygen mask, you could not help.

Extrem: only an oxygen mask.
Well, probably I will renounce to it on behalf of  anyone that is in my heart ( 
(yes, attachement. But compassion is also attachement, as I understand)

Any listizen have read Alfred Van Vogt books on Non-A worlds?

He said a thing that I find relevant: the word is not the thing, although many 
(myslef included) think in terms of words, not things. You should trascend 
words. I equal it to trascend duality.

Disclaimer: alfred got blind because he tried to cure his miopy looking at sun, 
as per a "something" that erases all dismissing mentions to it in internet 

With best wishes

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Wu 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book


        You say: Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?

        My suggestion: fly to Dharamsala and ask Dalai Lama. (It is an 
essential mahayana teaching that you should help others before helping 


        --- On Thu, 25/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

          From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
          Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book
          To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Thursday, 25 November, 2010, 9:46 PM


          Of what use is a dead bodhisattva to anyone?
          A mother who really cares for her child will put on her own oxygen 
mask first.
          On the other hand, "The life of an enlightened being is like the 
shadow of a bird on water."

          --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wu...@...> wrote:
          > Bill,
          > You got it wrong. Bodhisatvas advise you put the oxygen mask on 
other people before you have it on yourself. > 
          > You have not answer whether you don't think preventing turmoil is 
          > Anthony


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