ED, The short answer to your question below is yes. For me non-duality, Buddha Nature, clear mind are just different words for the same thing. My zen practice is to extend the periods of clear mind for longer periods and to more and more aspects of my everyday life.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], "seacrofter001" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > You say below: "In 'the zen I practice' experiencing non-duality on an > ongoing basis is the fundamental principal." > > After experiencing kensho-satori more and more frequently, and for > longer and longer periods of time, is the experience of non-duality > ongoing? > > Thanks, ED > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > "Nondualism is the idea that things appear distinct while not being > separate." > > > > The quote above is about as good as you can get using the English > language. English and all other languages I know (Thai, Spanish, > Brazillian Portuguese) are dualisitic themselves so expressing > non-dualism is very difficult. > > > > The biggest problem with it for me is it describes non-duality as an > 'idea' (or concept) instead of an experience (of reality). I'd desribe > non-duality as reality and duality as the 'idea' (concept or illusion). > Also the definition above 'distinct' implies multiple items, but then it > is qualified by 'appear' (as in not-acutally or illusory)and 'remaining > not-separate' which are all good. > > > > In 'the zen I practice' experiencing non-duality on an ongoing basis > is the fundamental principal. That is what I call 'clear mind' or > 'Buddha Mind'. I shy away from calling it an 'objective' only because > having an objective implies self and attachment. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" seacrofter001@ wrote: > > > > > > "Nondualism is the idea that things appear distinct while not being > > > separate." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-duality > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-duality> > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Is the above statement about non-duality acceptable? If not, what > would > > > be your attempt to state in words what non-duality is about? Is one > of > > > the objectives of zen or Zen to experience non-duality on an ongoing > > > basis? > > > > > > Thanks, --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > I respectfully disagree. > > > > > > > > The very word 'observer' implies duality. There is someone or > > > something observing, and someone or something that is the object of > the > > > observation. > > > > > > > > Perhaps when you say 'observe' you mean the same thing that I mean > > > when I say 'aware'. Awareness does not imply duality - at least in > the > > > Bill! lexicon. > > > > > > > > It's okay when we disagree about things, especially about words > and > > > their meaning; but it is important at least to me that we resolve > the > > > terms enough to be able to communicate well. > > > > > > > > I didn't understand the rest of your comments about Buddha, > different > > > states, advice and compassion. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > Observed object and observer is not duality. Observer and object > can > > > exist free from duality. This is how a buddha can forever be in the > > > world while being in the state that most of the high beings on the > site > > > must negate the world to maintain. Which also explains why most > advice > > > and the state of being through which that advice arises lacks > > > compassion. > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think that any comparison of Vulcans and zen is 'way > off'. > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer your question, anything that involves observing does > not > > > sound like zen to me. In the zen I practice there are no dualities > such > > > as observer/observed (subject/object)...Bill! > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Dave P" <wookielifeday@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is another strange question, but I've been watching a > lot > > > of Star Trek, and there's frequent mentioning of how the Vulcans are > not > > > actually unemotional, but simply observe their emotions and not let > them > > > control their actions. Does this sound Zen to anyone here, or am I > way > > > off? > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
