Anthony, Come closer and I'll tweak your nose!
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > ED, >  > You say, " > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that wisdom, compassion will emerge from > the practice of shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true nature." >  > Bill, > I need your comment on this. >  > Anthony > > > --- On Tue, 8/2/11, ED <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:50 AM > > >  > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie3@> wrote: > > > > To zazen, I would add the cultivation of loving kindness, compassion, and > wisdom, as embodied in our lives off the cushion. To be sure, these flow > naturally from Buddha mind. But buddha mind evolves out of their > cultivation. It's a virtuous circle! > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that wisdom, compassion will emerge from > the practice of shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true nature. > > > I have never formally been a student at The Providence Zen Center, or the > Kwan Um School of Zen: > http://www.providencezen.org/ > http://www.kwanumzen.org/ > > > But I have practice zazen with, and learned much from teachers, associated > with this lineage, on and off, over many years. > > > Of course, there are MANY, MANY other Zen teachers and training centers in > America. Google will lead you to scores of them. > > Yes, and I was interested in knowing if there is any zen center that > advocates 'zen' without any mention Buddha's teachings. > --ED > > Bill, > > Does 'zen' involve just doing zazen (shikantaza) practice? > > Are there any other recommendations, whether derived from Buddhism or > elsewhere? > > Is a teacher or guide required? > > Is there any material on 'zen' on the Internet? > > Are there currently any 'zen' teachers in the US that you are aware of? > > Thanks, ED > > > > Kristy, > > > > Most of the time when I use the a phrase like 'the zen I practice' it > is really just to signal everyone that I'm not claiming I am the > official spokesman for traditional Zen Buddhism. I do claim however to > be the official spokesman for 'the zen I practice' and do feel very > confident in talking about it. > > > > Put simply I beleive 'the zen I practice' is Zen Buddhsim without the > Buddhism. That's why I always distinguish between 'the zen I practice' > (lower case 'z') and the proper name Zen Buddhism (with an upper case > 'Z'). > > > > So...if you can think about zen as including practices that are not > specific to Buddhism - like zazen; while not including things that are > specific to Buddhism - like the Eightfold Path and enlightenment, then > that's all it is. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > --- In [email protected], Kristy McClain healthyplay1@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > You often refer to "the zen you practice", as in the following: > > > > > > > To answer your question, anything that involves observing does not > sound like zen to me. In the zen I practice there are no dualities such > as observer/observed (subject/object)...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > Would you be willing to share how you do this, or give an example? > > > > > > Thanks.. ~K > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
