Bill, I am safe, as I have hired a demon to protect me from attacks by enlightened beings.
To challenge you more, I make the following statement on YOUR behalf: Compassion and wisdom are products of dualism. You should eliminate them from your vocabulary after your satori. If you kill, you must do it with cold blood. There is no felony to commit if you do anything such as killing, burning, looting with clear mind and without any dualistic mindset like compassion and wisdom. Anthony --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Bill! <[email protected]> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anthony, > > > > Come closer and I'll tweak your nose! > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], > Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > > > > > ED, > > >  > > > You say, " > > > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that > wisdom, compassion will emerge from the practice of > shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true > nature." > > >  > > > Bill, > > > I need your comment on this. > > >  > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/2/11, ED <seacrofter001@...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@...> > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:50 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To zazen, I would add the cultivation of loving > kindness, compassion, and > > > wisdom, as embodied in our lives off the cushion. To > be sure, these flow > > > naturally from Buddha mind. But buddha mind evolves > out of their > > > cultivation. It's a virtuous circle! > > > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that > wisdom, compassion will emerge from the practice of > shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true > nature. > > > > > > > I have never formally been a student at The > Providence Zen Center, or the > > > Kwan Um School of Zen: > > > http://www.providencezen.org/ > > > http://www.kwanumzen.org/ > > > > > > > But I have practice zazen with, and learned much > from teachers, associated > > > with this lineage, on and off, over many years. > > > > > > > Of course, there are MANY, MANY other Zen > teachers and training centers in > > > America. Google will lead you to scores of them. > > > > > > Yes, and I was interested in knowing if there is any > zen center that advocates 'zen' without any > mention Buddha's teachings. > > > --ED > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Does 'zen' involve just doing zazen > (shikantaza) practice? > > > > > > Are there any other recommendations, whether derived > from Buddhism or > > > elsewhere? > > > > > > Is a teacher or guide required? > > > > > > Is there any material on 'zen' on the > Internet? > > > > > > Are there currently any 'zen' teachers in the > US that you are aware of? > > > > > > Thanks, ED > > > > > > > > > > Kristy, > > > > > > > > Most of the time when I use the a phrase like > 'the zen I practice' it > > > is really just to signal everyone that I'm not > claiming I am the > > > official spokesman for traditional Zen Buddhism. I do > claim however to > > > be the official spokesman for 'the zen I > practice' and do feel very > > > confident in talking about it. > > > > > > > > Put simply I beleive 'the zen I practice' > is Zen Buddhsim without the > > > Buddhism. That's why I always distinguish between > 'the zen I practice' > > > (lower case 'z') and the proper name Zen > Buddhism (with an upper case > > > 'Z'). > > > > > > > > So...if you can think about zen as including > practices that are not > > > specific to Buddhism - like zazen; while not including > things that are > > > specific to Buddhism - like the Eightfold Path and > enlightenment, then > > > that's all it is. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > Kristy McClain healthyplay1@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > You often refer to "the zen you > practice", as in the following: > > > > > > > > > > > To answer your question, anything that > involves observing does not > > > sound like zen to me. In the zen I practice there are > no dualities such > > > as observer/observed (subject/object)...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you be willing to share how you do > this, or give an example? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.. ~K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
