Hi Bill,
 
I've read your posts for some time, and I think I understand   this, to a 
degree.  But I  sense that "the zen you practice" is more than just  a sitting 
practice of zazen.  You often  discuss and share  your understanding of  the 
sutras and other buddhist ideas-- like the eight-fold path.  While I don't 
think you encourage ethical mis-conduct, I don't think ethical standards are 
your focus either, but I may   be mis-reading this about you.  But I sense that 
you actually are ethical indeed, and wonder if discounting that here is really 
a ploy to engage conversation.
 
You do  discuss buddha nature, however as a result of "just this", or as a 
by-product, perhaps.  So, I guess I'm thinking that it is your  years of 
training and experience that has   brought you to the point  wherein you 
discount much of the trappings that  often co-exist with zen practices, or 
should i say Zen practices.
 
I won't ask how I can get to Just this", but I'd like to learn more about how 
you got there, and maybe a couple things you do each day, other than zazen, 
that lets you know that you are maintaining your "just this" mind in  everyday 
situations.  (Maybe the tea spill on the PC experience, for example).
 
I see you as very non-judgemental, and whether that  is a result of your 
practice, or as Indiana Jones would say-- "its not the years, honey--its the 
mileage".
 
But  when you and others talk about  duality and illusory ideas-- I tend to 
shrug, because to discuss it here, involves reading posts, assessing  the 
meaning within, and deciding  whether to respond or not.  You still go to a 
store to buy goods , so comparing one brand to another is still there.  You 
likely  experience happiness and  frustration.  You still have to pee or take 
Flomax. Have mind-blowing  sex.. good sex.. or no sex. 
 
I'm still learning, so your thoughts are appreciated.
 
May the Force  be with You-- and the Steelers!!~~ k
 
 
 
--- On Sun, 2/6/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Bill! <[email protected]>
Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock?
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011, 1:24 AM


  



Kristy,

Most of the time when I use the a phrase like 'the zen I practice' it is really 
just to signal everyone that I'm not claiming I am the official spokesman for 
traditional Zen Buddhism. I do claim however to be the official spokesman for 
'the zen I practice' and do feel very confident in talking about it.

Put simply I beleive 'the zen I practice' is Zen Buddhsim without the Buddhism. 
That's why I always distinguish between 'the zen I practice' (lower case 'z') 
and the proper name Zen Buddhism (with an upper case 'Z').

So...if you can think about zen as including practices that are not specific to 
Buddhism - like zazen; while not including things that are specific to Buddhism 
- like the Eightfold Path and enlightenment, then that's all it is.

...Bill! 


--- In [email protected], Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>  
> You  often refer to "the zen you practice", as in the following:
>  
> > To answer your question, anything that involves observing does not sound 
> > like zen to me. In the zen I practice there are no dualities such as 
> > observer/observed (subject/object)...Bill!
> > 
> 
> Would you be willing to share how you do this,  or give an example?
>  
> Thanks.. ~K
>









      

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