Donald, What's the difference between Zen and Chan? From all my studies, Zen is derived from Chan, at it's core, it's about the seated position. No?
Guy --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > No worry, Mike. No misunderstanding here. > > Because I learned everything in Chinese. That's why I joined four > forums to learn the English. > > Then I found out, Zen and Chan are not exactly the same. Interesting > journey. > > :-) > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > > On 3/24/2011 11:24 PM, mike brown wrote: > > JM, > > Sure. My comment about your school seeming to be Taoist was just that > > - a comment - and not a criticism. I have to agree with ED tho, that I > > find the terminology you use to be difficult for me, too. I guess the > > substance is the samebut the form is somewhat different (a British > > understatement). I still like the bit you said having supernatural > > powers tho : ) > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 15:10:45 > > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen > > > > Hi Mike, Even Osho said, Chan combines the essence of Tao and Buddhism. > > > > Yes our practice is Taoist. Our words are Buddhist. After all, > > Buddha had 49 years to describe the various stages of his journey in > > detail. When comes to spirituality, Buddhist has the most detailed > > terms. Jesus had only three. If God give Jesus 49 years, I am sure > > He would said the same thing. > > > > Since I am educated as a high tech guy, Chan practice transformed me > > 180 degrees, because I have witnessed. It is an amazing journey. > > > > Yes, to focus on the present moment is the key. But it is not a > > life-less focus, it is a continual purification of our chi, while let > > the mind focus just on the emptiness. It is a parallel process. > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > On 3/24/2011 10:49 PM, mike brown wrote: > >> Thanks JM, > >> Wow, that all sounds so alien (no pun implied...) to me. I've always > >> been taught that you shouldn't regret the past (it's gone and so > >> unchangeable) nor worry about the future (it's an unknowable range of > >> possibilities) - only the now is real and knowable. I must say, your > >> school sounds more Taoist than Buddhist sometimes. > >> Mike > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > >> *To:* [email protected] > >> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 14:33:43 > >> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen > >> > >> Mike, No one told me what. One is from Pureland and the other is > >> Chan. One said to get more people to meditate and other said to > >> chant Namo Amitaba every night. They usually don't tell us what will > >> happen. > >> > >> Yet both said it before the Japanese quake. > >> > >> Sorry, that all I know. > >> > >> Personally, I also sensed an urgency for awhile without any reason. :-) > >> > >> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > >> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > >> http://www.heartchan.org > >> > >> On 3/24/2011 10:25 PM, mike brown wrote: > >>> JM. > >>> *Warning warning!* ...we MUST get more people to meditate to quiet > >>> the karmic events arriving soon. > >>> > >>> What kind of shape would these events take? The Mayan 2012 prophecy? > >>> The sky falls? A major earthquake/tsunami (oops, they missed that > >>> one)? American Idol winner has talent? Sarah Palin wins the US > >>> presidency? ED 'gets it'?... > >>> Does the practice of Chan endow you with supernatural powers? Btw, > >>> this question is not as facetious as I know it looks. > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> > >>> *To:* [email protected] > >>> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 13:40:34 > >>> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen > >>> > >>> Excellent, Bill.. Now here is my preliminary plan.. > >>> > >>> We will launch Adword in April with keywords such as depression, > >>> stress, insomnia, etc. to get people to learn meditation. At the > >>> same time, we will be starting a movement on Facebook titled, > >>> "Meditate First" = "whether you are Chrisitan, Buddhist, Muslin, > >>> Jew, rich or poor, before you act, talk, think, Meditate First." > >>> Sort of... > >>> > >>> Both of these will aggregate witnesses in health and spirituality, > >>> just from opposite ends. Therefore, there will be one web area, be > >>> it tumblr, or facebook page, or part of meditatefirst.org, where > >>> witnesses are posted. > >>> > >>> Both chan-meditation.org(from what are the benefits) and > >>> meditatefirst.org (to connect deeper to Christ) will link to this place. > >>> > >>> The idea is not to compare zen/Chan with Christianity, or teach > >>> Christians about zen/Chan, but get Christians to Meditate First. > >>> They will automatically deepen their faith or read Bible > >>> differently. Therefore, in these articles, there will be no need to > >>> mention Zen or Chan, just how to meditate to be closer to God. > >>> > >>> Please let me know your thoughts. If you can think of an outline, I > >>> can setup anything in one week -- joomla 1.5 or just Tumblr. Then > >>> you can enter the content. I would not have time to read anything. > >>> I have a lot to do. > >>> > >>> * Our Family Oneness program is successful into libraries. > >>> * Corporate Oneness programs is piloted into corporations. > >>> * Personal oneness program to hit the US through Adword. > >>> * A 200 people Chan Center is in the process being located. > >>> * 10 classes a week to support. > >>> > >>> Let us do something. Everyone is welcome. > >>> > >>> BTW, Not sure I mentioned this before, my Teacher and another well > >>> known Teacher both mentioned about one month ago, we MUST get more > >>> people to meditate to quiet the karmic events arriving soon. > >>> > >>> No wonder I have sensing urgency for awhile. Just do what we can. > >>> Together. > >>> > >>> Many Thanks. A bow to ALL. > >>> JM > >>> > >>> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > >>> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > >>> http://www.heartchan.org > >>> > >>> On 3/24/2011 5:36 PM, Bill! wrote: > >>>> > >>>> JMJM, > >>>> > >>>> I would be interested in participating in this. I was brought up as > >>>> a Christian and have gone through a lot of Bible study. I agree > >>>> wholeheartedly with your premise. > >>>> > >>>> If you haven't already read it, I'd suggest you find a copy of a > >>>> small book called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN. It's theme is the > >>>> same as the one you've described. > >>>> > >>>> ...Bill! > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected] > >>>> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming - > >>>> 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Good Morning Steve and anyone who is interested to help, > >>>> > > >>>> > I wanted to incorporate a zen way to deepen the "Christian faith" > >>>> on our > >>>> > websites, but I don't know the Bible enough. > >>>> > > >>>> > The intent is... > >>>> > > >>>> > * To show that Chan/zen and christian faith are one of the same. > >>>> > * Enabling the reading of the bible in a different light. > >>>> > * Deepen our connection with God. > >>>> > > >>>> > It could be a page or two, or an entire website, (if you have the > >>>> time > >>>> > to write the content and the newsletter). I can set it up. > >>>> > > >>>> > This will be interlinked with http://www.chan-meditation.org. > >>>> <http://www.chan-meditation.org./> It is now > >>>> > top ranked in google, bing, yahoo with keyword -- chan > >>>> meditation. (no > >>>> > quotation mark). > >>>> > > >>>> > Also because we will be promoting Chan meditation beginning in > >>>> April/May > >>>> > with online Adword. > >>>> > > >>>> > Many Thanks, > >>>> > JM > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > >>>> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/> > >>>> > http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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