Wow, I though that was a typo. Surely I do not understand.
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:58, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明<chan.j...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, Mike. In words, concept, logic, they are quite close. In the formless, > which can not be explained by words, logic, or concept, there are difference > from I have read so far.... :-( > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > On 3/25/2011 8:18 AM, mike brown wrote: >> >> JM, >> >> >Yes Guy, zen is a derived of Chan. In the form they are very close. In >> >the formless, they are different. JM >> Well, this could be just about the most exciting development I've seen on >> this forum for many a year. Do I detect a schism here? It was my >> understanding that the heart of both point to the same thing, even tho the >> practices might seem to be somewhat different. >> >> Mike >> >> From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.j...@gmail.com> >> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sat, 26 March, 2011 0:00:08 >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >> >> >> Yes Guy, zen is a derived of Chan. In the form they are very close. In >> the formless, they are different. JM >> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >> http://www.heartchan.org >> >> On 3/25/2011 5:12 AM, Guy wrote: >>> >>> >>> Donald, What's the difference between Zen and Chan? From all my studies, >>> Zen is derived from Chan, at it's core, it's about the seated position. No? >>> >>> Guy >>> >>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 >>> <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: >>> > >>> > No worry, Mike. No misunderstanding here. >>> > >>> > Because I learned everything in Chinese. That's why I joined four >>> > forums to learn the English. >>> > >>> > Then I found out, Zen and Chan are not exactly the same. Interesting >>> > journey. >>> > >>> > :-) >>> > >>> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >>> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>> > http://www.heartchan.org >>> > >>> > >>> > On 3/24/2011 11:24 PM, mike brown wrote: >>> > > JM, >>> > > Sure. My comment about your school seeming to be Taoist was just that >>> > > - a comment - and not a criticism. I have to agree with ED tho, that I >>> > > find the terminology you use to be difficult for me, too. I guess the >>> > > substance is the samebut the form is somewhat different (a British >>> > > understatement). I still like the bit you said having supernatural >>> > > powers tho : ) >>> > > Mike >>> > > >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> >>> > > *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > > *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 15:10:45 >>> > > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >>> > > >>> > > Hi Mike, Even Osho said, Chan combines the essence of Tao and Buddhism. >>> > > >>> > > Yes our practice is Taoist. Our words are Buddhist. After all, >>> > > Buddha had 49 years to describe the various stages of his journey in >>> > > detail. When comes to spirituality, Buddhist has the most detailed >>> > > terms. Jesus had only three. If God give Jesus 49 years, I am sure >>> > > He would said the same thing. >>> > > >>> > > Since I am educated as a high tech guy, Chan practice transformed me >>> > > 180 degrees, because I have witnessed. It is an amazing journey. >>> > > >>> > > Yes, to focus on the present moment is the key. But it is not a >>> > > life-less focus, it is a continual purification of our chi, while let >>> > > the mind focus just on the emptiness. It is a parallel process. >>> > > >>> > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >>> > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>> > > http://www.heartchan.org >>> > > >>> > > On 3/24/2011 10:49 PM, mike brown wrote: >>> > >> Thanks JM, >>> > >> Wow, that all sounds so alien (no pun implied...) to me. I've always >>> > >> been taught that you shouldn't regret the past (it's gone and so >>> > >> unchangeable) nor worry about the future (it's an unknowable range of >>> > >> possibilities) - only the now is real and knowable. I must say, your >>> > >> school sounds more Taoist than Buddhist sometimes. >>> > >> Mike >>> > >> >>> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> >>> > >> *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > >> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 14:33:43 >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >>> > >> >>> > >> Mike, No one told me what. One is from Pureland and the other is >>> > >> Chan. One said to get more people to meditate and other said to >>> > >> chant Namo Amitaba every night. They usually don't tell us what will >>> > >> happen. >>> > >> >>> > >> Yet both said it before the Japanese quake. >>> > >> >>> > >> Sorry, that all I know. >>> > >> >>> > >> Personally, I also sensed an urgency for awhile without any reason. :-) >>> > >> >>> > >> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >>> > >> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>> > >> http://www.heartchan.org >>> > >> >>> > >> On 3/24/2011 10:25 PM, mike brown wrote: >>> > >>> JM. >>> > >>> *Warning warning!* ...we MUST get more people to meditate to quiet >>> > >>> the karmic events arriving soon. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> What kind of shape would these events take? The Mayan 2012 prophecy? >>> > >>> The sky falls? A major earthquake/tsunami (oops, they missed that >>> > >>> one)? American Idol winner has talent? Sarah Palin wins the US >>> > >>> presidency? ED 'gets it'?... >>> > >>> Does the practice of Chan endow you with supernatural powers? Btw, >>> > >>> this question is not as facetious as I know it looks. >>> > >>> Mike >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> >>> > >>> *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > >>> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 13:40:34 >>> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Excellent, Bill.. Now here is my preliminary plan.. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> We will launch Adword in April with keywords such as depression, >>> > >>> stress, insomnia, etc. to get people to learn meditation. At the >>> > >>> same time, we will be starting a movement on Facebook titled, >>> > >>> "Meditate First" = "whether you are Chrisitan, Buddhist, Muslin, >>> > >>> Jew, rich or poor, before you act, talk, think, Meditate First." >>> > >>> Sort of... >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Both of these will aggregate witnesses in health and spirituality, >>> > >>> just from opposite ends. Therefore, there will be one web area, be >>> > >>> it tumblr, or facebook page, or part of meditatefirst.org, where >>> > >>> witnesses are posted. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Both chan-meditation.org(from what are the benefits) and >>> > >>> meditatefirst.org (to connect deeper to Christ) will link to this >>> > >>> place. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> The idea is not to compare zen/Chan with Christianity, or teach >>> > >>> Christians about zen/Chan, but get Christians to Meditate First. >>> > >>> They will automatically deepen their faith or read Bible >>> > >>> differently. Therefore, in these articles, there will be no need to >>> > >>> mention Zen or Chan, just how to meditate to be closer to God. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Please let me know your thoughts. If you can think of an outline, I >>> > >>> can setup anything in one week -- joomla 1.5 or just Tumblr. Then >>> > >>> you can enter the content. I would not have time to read anything. >>> > >>> I have a lot to do. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> * Our Family Oneness program is successful into libraries. >>> > >>> * Corporate Oneness programs is piloted into corporations. >>> > >>> * Personal oneness program to hit the US through Adword. >>> > >>> * A 200 people Chan Center is in the process being located. >>> > >>> * 10 classes a week to support. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Let us do something. Everyone is welcome. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> BTW, Not sure I mentioned this before, my Teacher and another well >>> > >>> known Teacher both mentioned about one month ago, we MUST get more >>> > >>> people to meditate to quiet the karmic events arriving soon. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> No wonder I have sensing urgency for awhile. Just do what we can. >>> > >>> Together. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Many Thanks. A bow to ALL. >>> > >>> JM >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >>> > >>> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>> > >>> http://www.heartchan.org >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On 3/24/2011 5:36 PM, Bill! wrote: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> JMJM, >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> I would be interested in participating in this. I was brought up as >>> > >>>> a Christian and have gone through a lot of Bible study. I agree >>> > >>>> wholeheartedly with your premise. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> If you haven't already read it, I'd suggest you find a copy of a >>> > >>>> small book called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN. It's theme is the >>> > >>>> same as the one you've described. >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> ...Bill! >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >>> > >>>> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming - >>> > >>>> 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> >>> > >>>> wrote: >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Good Morning Steve and anyone who is interested to help, >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > I wanted to incorporate a zen way to deepen the "Christian faith" >>> > >>>> on our >>> > >>>> > websites, but I don't know the Bible enough. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > The intent is... >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > * To show that Chan/zen and christian faith are one of the same. >>> > >>>> > * Enabling the reading of the bible in a different light. >>> > >>>> > * Deepen our connection with God. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > It could be a page or two, or an entire website, (if you have the >>> > >>>> time >>> > >>>> > to write the content and the newsletter). I can set it up. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > This will be interlinked with http://www.chan-meditation.org. >>> > >>>> <http://www.chan-meditation.org./> It is now >>> > >>>> > top ranked in google, bing, yahoo with keyword -- chan >>> > >>>> meditation. (no >>> > >>>> > quotation mark). >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Also because we will be promoting Chan meditation beginning in >>> > >>>> April/May >>> > >>>> > with online Adword. >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > Many Thanks, >>> > >>>> > JM >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > -- >>> > >>>> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >>> > >>>> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/> >>> > >>>> > http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/> >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> > > >
