JM, >Yes Guy, zen is a derived of Chan. In the form they are very close. In the >formless, they are different. JM
Well, this could be just about the most exciting development I've seen on this forum for many a year. Do I detect a schism here? It was my understanding that the heart of both point to the same thing, even tho the practices might seem to be somewhat different. Mike ________________________________ From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 26 March, 2011 0:00:08 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen Yes Guy, zen is a derived of Chan. In the form they are very close. In the formless, they are different. JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 3/25/2011 5:12 AM, Guy wrote: >Donald, What's the difference between Zen and Chan? From all my studies, Zen >is >derived from Chan, at it's core, it's about the seated position. No? > >Guy > >--- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 ><chan.jmjm@...> wrote: >> >> No worry, Mike. No misunderstanding here. >> >> Because I learned everything in Chinese. That's why I joined four >> forums to learn the English. >> >> Then I found out, Zen and Chan are not exactly the same. Interesting >> journey. >> >> :-) >> >> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >> http://www.heartchan.org >> >> >> On 3/24/2011 11:24 PM, mike brown wrote: >> > JM, >> > Sure. My comment about your school seeming to be Taoist was just that >> > - a comment - and not a criticism. I have to agree with ED tho, that I >> > find the terminology you use to be difficult for me, too. I guess the >> > substance is the samebut the form is somewhat different (a British >> > understatement). I still like the bit you said having supernatural >> > powers tho : ) >> > Mike >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> > *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> >> > *To:* [email protected] >> > *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 15:10:45 >> > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >> > >> > Hi Mike, Even Osho said, Chan combines the essence of Tao and Buddhism. >> > >> > Yes our practice is Taoist. Our words are Buddhist. After all, >> > Buddha had 49 years to describe the various stages of his journey in >> > detail. When comes to spirituality, Buddhist has the most detailed >> > terms. Jesus had only three. If God give Jesus 49 years, I am sure >> > He would said the same thing. >> > >> > Since I am educated as a high tech guy, Chan practice transformed me >> > 180 degrees, because I have witnessed. It is an amazing journey. >> > >> > Yes, to focus on the present moment is the key. But it is not a >> > life-less focus, it is a continual purification of our chi, while let >> > the mind focus just on the emptiness. It is a parallel process. >> > >> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >> > http://www.heartchan.org >> > >> > On 3/24/2011 10:49 PM, mike brown wrote: >> >> Thanks JM, >> >> Wow, that all sounds so alien (no pun implied...) to me. I've always >> >> been taught that you shouldn't regret the past (it's gone and so >> >> unchangeable) nor worry about the future (it's an unknowable range of >> >> possibilities) - only the now is real and knowable. I must say, your >> >> school sounds more Taoist than Buddhist sometimes. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 14:33:43 >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >> >> >> >> Mike, No one told me what. One is from Pureland and the other is >> >> Chan. One said to get more people to meditate and other said to >> >> chant Namo Amitaba every night. They usually don't tell us what will >> >> happen. >> >> >> >> Yet both said it before the Japanese quake. >> >> >> >> Sorry, that all I know. >> >> >> >> Personally, I also sensed an urgency for awhile without any reason. :-) >> >> >> >> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >> >> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >> >> http://www.heartchan.org >> >> >> >> On 3/24/2011 10:25 PM, mike brown wrote: >> >>> JM. >> >>> *Warning warning!* ...we MUST get more people to meditate to quiet >> >>> the karmic events arriving soon. >> >>> >> >>> What kind of shape would these events take? The Mayan 2012 prophecy? >> >>> The sky falls? A major earthquake/tsunami (oops, they missed that >> >>> one)? American Idol winner has talent? Sarah Palin wins the US >> >>> presidency? ED 'gets it'?... >> >>> Does the practice of Chan endow you with supernatural powers? Btw, >> >>> this question is not as facetious as I know it looks. >> >>> Mike >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> >> >>> *To:* [email protected] >> >>> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 13:40:34 >> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen >> >>> >> >>> Excellent, Bill.. Now here is my preliminary plan.. >> >>> >> >>> We will launch Adword in April with keywords such as depression, >> >>> stress, insomnia, etc. to get people to learn meditation. At the >> >>> same time, we will be starting a movement on Facebook titled, >> >>> "Meditate First" = "whether you are Chrisitan, Buddhist, Muslin, >> >>> Jew, rich or poor, before you act, talk, think, Meditate First." >> >>> Sort of... >> >>> >> >>> Both of these will aggregate witnesses in health and spirituality, >> >>> just from opposite ends. Therefore, there will be one web area, be >> >>> it tumblr, or facebook page, or part of meditatefirst.org, where >> >>> witnesses are posted. >> >>> >> >>> Both chan-meditation.org(from what are the benefits) and >> >>> meditatefirst.org (to connect deeper to Christ) will link to this place. >> >>> >> >>> The idea is not to compare zen/Chan with Christianity, or teach >> >>> Christians about zen/Chan, but get Christians to Meditate First. >> >>> They will automatically deepen their faith or read Bible >> >>> differently. Therefore, in these articles, there will be no need to >> >>> mention Zen or Chan, just how to meditate to be closer to God. >> >>> >> >>> Please let me know your thoughts. If you can think of an outline, I >> >>> can setup anything in one week -- joomla 1.5 or just Tumblr. Then >> >>> you can enter the content. I would not have time to read anything. >> >>> I have a lot to do. >> >>> >> >>> * Our Family Oneness program is successful into libraries. >> >>> * Corporate Oneness programs is piloted into corporations. >> >>> * Personal oneness program to hit the US through Adword. >> >>> * A 200 people Chan Center is in the process being located. >> >>> * 10 classes a week to support. >> >>> >> >>> Let us do something. Everyone is welcome. >> >>> >> >>> BTW, Not sure I mentioned this before, my Teacher and another well >> >>> known Teacher both mentioned about one month ago, we MUST get more >> >>> people to meditate to quiet the karmic events arriving soon. >> >>> >> >>> No wonder I have sensing urgency for awhile. Just do what we can. >> >>> Together. >> >>> >> >>> Many Thanks. A bow to ALL. >> >>> JM >> >>> >> >>> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >> >>> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >> >>> http://www.heartchan.org >> >>> >> >>> On 3/24/2011 5:36 PM, Bill! wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> JMJM, >> >>>> >> >>>> I would be interested in participating in this. I was brought up as >> >>>> a Christian and have gone through a lot of Bible study. I agree >> >>>> wholeheartedly with your premise. >> >>>> >> >>>> If you haven't already read it, I'd suggest you find a copy of a >> >>>> small book called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN. It's theme is the >> >>>> same as the one you've described. >> >>>> >> >>>> ...Bill! >> >>>> >> >>>> --- In [email protected] >> >>>> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming - >> >>>> 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Good Morning Steve and anyone who is interested to help, >> >>>> > >> >>>> > I wanted to incorporate a zen way to deepen the "Christian faith" >> >>>> on our >> >>>> > websites, but I don't know the Bible enough. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > The intent is... >> >>>> > >> >>>> > * To show that Chan/zen and christian faith are one of the same. >> >>>> > * Enabling the reading of the bible in a different light. >> >>>> > * Deepen our connection with God. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > It could be a page or two, or an entire website, (if you have the >> >>>> time >> >>>> > to write the content and the newsletter). I can set it up. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > This will be interlinked with http://www.chan-meditation.org. >> >>>> <http://www.chan-meditation.org./> It is now >> >>>> > top ranked in google, bing, yahoo with keyword -- chan >> >>>> meditation. (no >> >>>> > quotation mark). >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Also because we will be promoting Chan meditation beginning in >> >>>> April/May >> >>>> > with online Adword. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Many Thanks, >> >>>> > JM >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can >> >>>> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/> >> >>>> > http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/> >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
